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Post by gr0undzer0 on Apr 14, 2008 17:32:31 GMT -5
like a goth punk hybrid?
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Post by ShotByTheBlues on Apr 14, 2008 17:34:43 GMT -5
Well, todays emo crowd (what you see of them anyway) are a bunch of posers, who generally go around sulking even if their born with a silver spoon up their asses.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Apr 14, 2008 17:35:12 GMT -5
I hired a kid whom worked for hot topic, even he cant esplain what it is....good kid but just a tad....off
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Post by ShotByTheBlues on Apr 14, 2008 17:36:25 GMT -5
youtube.com/watch?v=AdASTkfi91EThats a parody that pretty accurately describes the stereotype emo kids Now I must bid you farewell, boozy time has ended, and sleepy time has dawned upon me.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Apr 14, 2008 17:42:22 GMT -5
bah dial up sucks
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Post by Stephanie on Apr 14, 2008 17:43:37 GMT -5
Well, todays emo crowd (what you see of them anyway) are a bunch of posers, who generally go around sulking even if their born with a silver spoon up their asses. How is that any different from many punk kids, grunge kids, goth kids, etc.? And rich and privileged kids can be genuinely miserable. If punk types could be characterized most by responding to dissatisfaction with anger, grunge types with disaffection, and goth types with depression, emo types could be characterized most by responding to dissatisfaction with histrionic and dramatic displays. A punk kid might vandalize something, a grunge kid might lie around and not do much of anything, a goth kid might write a morbid, lugubrious poem, and an emo kid might have a public fit of tears. I think a big part of why people find emo kids particularly funny or ridiculous is that histrionic displays of emotion are seen as somehow less credible or authentic than other ways of expressing emotion, especially for males. Different flavors of the same thing, in my opinion.
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Post by Stephanie on Apr 14, 2008 17:44:07 GMT -5
And sort of, yes, from what I can tell.
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Post by manintheshadows on Apr 14, 2008 17:47:50 GMT -5
Bah - I remember when emo referred to really good, emotional proper punk stuff like Down By Law, Face to Face etc.
Emo nowadays is completely bereft of the thing that gave it it's name.
*goes back to his mush*
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Post by Stephanie on Apr 14, 2008 17:58:16 GMT -5
Are anyone's tastes as a teenager as sophisticated as their tastes as an adult? Those bands that may seem ridiculous to many of us have some sort of emotional value to the kids who listen to them (it seems to me that the current wave of "emo" bands appeals mostly to a teenage, and perhaps a college-age to some extent, audience), and ain't that what music's all about?
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Apr 14, 2008 18:00:02 GMT -5
well sure green day touches many youth with their music......
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Apr 14, 2008 18:01:41 GMT -5
its a damn rare thing anymore to see a band that ages and still stays relevant....
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Apr 14, 2008 18:02:11 GMT -5
is it the music biz that breaks them up?
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Post by manintheshadows on Apr 14, 2008 18:18:41 GMT -5
I think a lot of 'pop' acts coming and going with such regularity and consistency over the past few years (there has never been so many one-hit wonders in the history of the charts as there have been in the past 3 years) is down to a couple of things, all (strangely enough) money-related:
1. The Death of the Single There's just no point to them anymore. They used to be dirt-cheap affairs with proper b-sides that you couldn't get anywhere else, and now most of them are album highlights that cost too much. It used to take the best part of half a million singles to get to No.1 in the UK, now it can be done with a couple of tens of thousands on a quiet week.
2. The Death of Independent Music A quick peep at the indie charts shows that almost everyone on there is on a label affiliated to a major. Someone making a few hundred CDs in order to garner attention from hip radio stations will struggle against the marketing suits of a major's vanity label.
3. The Death of John Peel A man on a mainstream radio station who would champion anyone's cause if they sent him a nice enough letter with their demo. There are artists who owe their vast wealth to this man, just as there are artists who owe their sole 3 minutes on the radio.
It can be done with the right word-of-mouth and good tunes though - it's great to see how well the Twilight Singers have done for themselves without the need to make a video - it's just a shame that they are an exception rather than the rule nowadays.
I'm going to watch Fist of Fury now.
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Post by Stephanie on Apr 14, 2008 18:41:13 GMT -5
I think another factor is the extent to which technology is heightening the culture of the quick fix. Everyone wants everything to be a hit and sell a million dollars now. The record business famously used to invest in bands that would take a longer time to build an audience but would be successful longer, whereas now most of the money seems to get thrown at acts with the most immediate appeal. We live in increasingly disposable cultures--look how much and in how many areas of life we are conditioned to reach for things that we use, then throw away. There's a giant tangle of floating plastic debris in the Pacific Ocean larger than Texas, for God's sake.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Apr 14, 2008 19:45:09 GMT -5
but if you want to remain an indie artist the technology is so widespread that you have no excuse for selling out these days, unless its to cash in and be a bloated mtv whore.....
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Post by Stephanie on Apr 14, 2008 20:00:31 GMT -5
That's very true, and I'm optimistic about the impact the Internet is having and will continue to have on the music industry. A lot of artists are crying about it now but it's putting power back into their hands as much as it's doing anything else, and the smart ones will respond creatively to this and thus benefit from the changes. Whether or not you like his music, I think Trent Reznor is an excellent example of someone who has used the Internet creatively and successfully as a promotional and artistic tool.
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Post by LostCause on Apr 14, 2008 20:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by LostCause on Apr 14, 2008 20:14:11 GMT -5
well sure green day touches many youth with their music...... I actually like American Idiot. I don't have it but other than the ballad, the radio songs were not bad. They were totally irreverent and spit in the "fans" faces kind of in the same was that Smells like teen Spirit did.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Apr 14, 2008 20:25:47 GMT -5
well sure green day touches many youth with their music...... I actually like American Idiot. I don't have it but other than the ballad, the radio songs were not bad. They were totally irreverent and spit in the "fans" faces kind of in the same was that Smells like teen Spirit did. yeah I remember when american idiot came out......it was a magnum opus like Tommy or The Wall, most magazines called it a punk rock opera! give me a a break....it was a 3 chord song bashing the current government and people........how fucking original is that? It was nothing more then the same regurgitated crap they have been doing since they started except now billy joe has straight teeth and plays Fenders instead of Hondos.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Apr 14, 2008 20:29:02 GMT -5
That's very true, and I'm optimistic about the impact the Internet is having and will continue to have on the music industry. A lot of artists are crying about it now but it's putting power back into their hands as much as it's doing anything else, and the smart ones will respond creatively to this and thus benefit from the changes. Whether or not you like his music, I think Trent Reznor is an excellent example of someone who has used the Internet creatively and successfully as a promotional and artistic tool. well he IS using the tools but the music just does not cut the mustard, I waded thru his new instrumental thing...........eeeeeeee f00king gads !!!! the limited edition versions of this stuff were selling for 200-300 clams a copy?
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Post by LostCause on Apr 14, 2008 20:30:39 GMT -5
It like it better than half the crap that I hear on the radio now that makes me turn it off when it comes on. The Wall it is not.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Apr 14, 2008 20:39:47 GMT -5
and I dont have a problem with green day and their music, just dont paint it to be something on par with The Wall, Tommy (which I dont really like) or something the Beatles did (whom I dont really like) green day could not really afford to have a bunch of emo kids with black shirts and red ties scratching their dyed black hair trying to figure out what the sage of the 21st century Billy Joe is trying to say.......and I am not singling you out or attacking you either!
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Post by LostCause on Apr 14, 2008 21:14:41 GMT -5
Trent is cutting out the middle man and putting the coin right into his pocket. Ever since I hear the song Perfect Drug or a song that goes something like that I lost total interest. Pretty Hate Machine, masterpiece. Now, total business man. Good for him if he can make people who can afford it pay for it. I could care about his music almost as much as I care about The Eagles which is not at all.
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Post by mockingbird on Apr 14, 2008 22:01:14 GMT -5
Trent is cutting out the middle man and putting the coin right into his pocket. Ever since I hear the song Perfect Drug or a song that goes something like that I lost total interest. Pretty Hate Machine, masterpiece. Now, total business man. Good for him if he can make people who can afford it pay for it. I could care about his music almost as much as I care about The Eagles which is not at all. When I first heard The Perfect Drug on the radio, I remember . Now, I really like the song. And it's good to fuck to. The video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0s5UOVsMDgTrent's take on the video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wxThm49j9w
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Post by Stephanie on Apr 14, 2008 22:39:49 GMT -5
NIN ain't everyone's cup of tea--it's certainly true that it tends toward the histrionic at times--but I think it would be hard to support an argument that Trent Reznor does not have integrity as an artist. I think he does what he wants to do and is driven by a love of music, not money. And his efforts around his two most recent releases show an unusual awareness of how to reach and involve fans. And I love how Year Zero showcased one of the outcomes of a person getting their shit together, which is the development of more of a social conscience. It may not be the most literary or nuanced cultural critique out there, but it's somethin'.
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