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Post by kingdomsofrain on Oct 25, 2013 12:44:05 GMT -5
LITA releases are fairly easy to source in the UK (Amazon included), import prices apply though - CDs should be significantly cheaper... Silence thanks for the info, much appreciated. How does one go about getting hold of the red lp set also? How much would it cost for a UK LITA LP subscriber? I imagine the regular LP set and double cd will be cheaper for me to buy on Amazon.uk than the LITA given the extortionate postage costs? Thanks
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Oct 25, 2013 12:52:50 GMT -5
ordered the vinyl. also, haven't seen it mentioned yet, but the song previews are now working.
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Post by silence on Oct 25, 2013 13:58:50 GMT -5
Subscription details are here, but it's US/Canada only - I tried to subscribe as soon as they started taking orders earlier in the year, but due to the shipping costs involved they won't offer this outside of North America. People can bang on as much as they want about the resurgence of vinyl, but it's an absolute turd on a stick to post anywhere. As for getting a red one other than ebay (I notice the Soulsavers reissue has surfaced there for £60 for each disc when you can still get both for 15...), what usually happens in these cases is that any left over after the subs have been sorted out will be inserted randomly into the pre-orders. All you can really do is cross your fingers for that one though.
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Post by kingdomsofrain on Oct 25, 2013 14:59:04 GMT -5
Ahhhh noooo Silence, discrimination MF's!!! Fuck it this is such bullshit!!! I will get hold of a red copy of the vinyl somehow even if its costs me several hundred dollary doos and a few lives in the process. So far this week i've bought this set and one other vinyl - total cost - $200. Im feeling royally screwed.
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Post by barriers on Oct 25, 2013 16:18:44 GMT -5
god damn that's expensive shipping! $40 bucks to Canada, they're lucky I'm a complete sucker for shit like this.
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Post by calm ocean on Oct 25, 2013 16:42:35 GMT -5
why is shipping so high? when I order vinyl from amazon, if the order total is $25 they ship it for free. and it's usually shipped in a box as big as my suitcase.
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Post by username2500 on Oct 25, 2013 16:48:03 GMT -5
Dunno if this is the actual thing (edit: it is), looks nice anyway. Check out that signature... Guess he hasn't really signed my CDs so much as initialed them
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Post by silence on Oct 25, 2013 17:01:34 GMT -5
Triple heavyweight vinyl plus book in thick card sleeve. If you've seen (or better, picked up) a copy of a Death Waltz's reissue of The Fog, then you'll have a vague idea how heavy this'll be, if you first add another 50%. Amazon can do it cheaper as they insist on flat, low rates when sold through their marketplace (as they're currently *very* aggressively gunning for the lion's share of the vinyl market), vendors have to kind of hope that the numbers sold through Amazon make up for lost profits from such tariffs. *as reply to calm ocean - slow typing, too many words
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Post by calm ocean on Oct 25, 2013 17:46:33 GMT -5
so any idea if this will be available through other sites like amazon or is this LITA only? I don't really care if its red, yellow, or heavyweight champion of the world, but would probably prefer vinyl over cd.
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Post by foriamtheway on Oct 25, 2013 17:52:56 GMT -5
Wow I would like a colored LP set but really can't justify spending 50 dollar on shipping... No matter how much it weighs, I don't believe it actually costs that much to have it shipped. Besides we have vinyl factories in Europe as well, so why not have some being made here? With all the environmental and economical issues going on in the world, this just seems ridiculous and old fashioned, and I don't want to be supportive of that. I''m really disappointed with Light in the Attic ánd Mark Lanegan about how this is being handeld. I hate pre-ordering, subscribtion and on-line only deals were most profit seems to go to record companies, but hey I guess they have big houses and cars to pay for and maybe I'm just to much of an idealist to be living in this greedy world. Looks like these days you have to be rich to be a music/ vinyl lover. Even the regular versions keep going up in price. Oh well I guess I'll have to settle for a black version and be done with it.
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Oct 25, 2013 18:14:55 GMT -5
Wow I would like a colored LP set but really can't justify spending 50 dollar on shipping... No matter how much it weighs, I don't believe it actually costs that much to have it shipped. Besides we have vinyl factories in Europe as well, so why not have some being made here? With all the environmental and economical issues going on in the world, this just seems ridiculous and old fashioned, and I don't want to be supportive of that. I''m really disappointed with Light in the Attic ánd Mark Lanegan about how this is being handeld. I hate pre-ordering, subscribtion and on-line only deals were most profit seems to go to record companies, but hey I guess they have big houses and cars to pay for and maybe I'm just to much of an idealist to be living in this greedy world. Looks like these days you have to be rich to be a music/ vinyl lover. Even the regular versions keep going up in price. Oh well I guess I'll have to settle for a black version and be done with it.
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Post by foriamtheway on Oct 25, 2013 18:26:23 GMT -5
Oh I'm very serious, believe me... Why wouldn't I be? I''m sorry for not being able to join the 'we're sooo happy about any new release' party here As much as I love Mark's music, it doesn't mean I can't be critical or question the choices he makes. Edit: but if I'm missing something here, please enlighten me Editing again: and if you think 85 dollar is a reasonable price to get a 3 piece LP set i can't help but wondering if YOU'RE being serious...
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Post by calm ocean on Oct 25, 2013 18:39:53 GMT -5
some sites just don't go out of their way for cheap shipping options is the biggest problem. marklanegan.com was charging $40 shipping for a cdr in a cardboard sleeve when the live cds were available on his website. so maybe the high shipping costs has 5% to do with actual product weight, but 95% to do with the cheaper option simply not being made available to customers.
edited to add: just for my own curiosity, I went to the marklanegan.com store to check on the shipping costs. To purchase "Scraps at Midnight" CD digipak (weighs next to nothing) actual cd cost is $10, but shipping is $11.38 to Canada. That's better than it was when the site first launched, but is still pretty ridiculous, as is whatever the cost LITA is charging.
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Post by calm ocean on Oct 25, 2013 19:32:16 GMT -5
Triple heavyweight vinyl plus book in thick card sleeve. If you've seen (or better, picked up) a copy of a Death Waltz's reissue of The Fog, then you'll have a vague idea how heavy this'll be, if you first add another 50%. Amazon can do it cheaper as they insist on flat, low rates when sold through their marketplace (as they're currently *very* aggressively gunning for the lion's share of the vinyl market), vendors have to kind of hope that the numbers sold through Amazon make up for lost profits from such tariffs. *as reply to calm ocean - slow typing, too many words OK, so I decide to go with the CD instead - I have 2 options ($10.05 for 7-21 day shipping or $29.75 for 6-10 day shipping). The 6-10 day shipping cost on the vinyl is $39.15 (same cost if you buy cd and vinyl together)...If I buy 2 copies of the vinyl, the shipping is $48.55 Which leads me to believe, the shipping cost has little do with weight, and more to do with laziness and greed. You can contact them at info@lightintheattic.net It likely won't do anything to complain, but it won't hurt to either.
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Post by mockingbird on Oct 25, 2013 20:51:18 GMT -5
Blues for D w/vocals clip sounds amazing!
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Post by Grumpella on Oct 25, 2013 21:41:03 GMT -5
Just for shits and giggles (I guess mostly shits, really), I played around on the USPS web site, looking at postage, which IS pretty fucking outrageous to overseas. Figuring 3 180 gram records, fancy record packaging and good, sturdy shipping packaging, and maybe rounding up a bit, what I got was first class mail to Great Britain costing about $24 and priority almost $46. To Canada, first class is $16 and priority is a little over $30. From what you guys and gals are posting, they aren't tacking on very much for the "& handling" part of "shipping & handling," and they aren't looking for cheaper options - but then, they are a low-volume, boutique label. Could be they don't have sales enough to get much of a rate decrease from the shipping companies, I don't know how that works. I'd complain more about the shoddily-run USPS and their ridiculous out-of-the-US rates than I would about LITA. (As for the USPS, I'll wager it was much easier to get raising international rates approved than it is to get raising local rates approved, they have to make up for losing so much money every year somehow, and it's foreign customers of US-based businesses who get to feel the brunt of that.)
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Post by calm ocean on Oct 25, 2013 21:46:58 GMT -5
So you're telling me if I get anyone else but LITA to ship me one measley CD to Canada, it will still cost $29.75?
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Post by Grumpella on Oct 25, 2013 22:11:37 GMT -5
Yeap - if you want Priority mail. Priority mail, 6-10 business days, to Canada, for anything 16 ounces and under, is $28.25, per the USPS website, unless the packaging is small enough for it to fit in a small flat-rate box, in which case it's $19.99. Not so very long ago I could ship those same small, flat-rate boxes for $11. First class might only cost you $8-10 and time frame is "varies by destination" but they aren't offering first class on LITA, sadly.
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Post by username2500 on Oct 25, 2013 22:40:15 GMT -5
what is "tip on"? (I AM going to sleep now)
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Oct 25, 2013 23:30:12 GMT -5
Oh I'm very serious, believe me... Why wouldn't I be? I''m sorry for not being able to join the 'we're sooo happy about any new release' party here As much as I love Mark's music, it doesn't mean I can't be critical or question the choices he makes. Edit: but if I'm missing something here, please enlighten me Editing again: and if you think 85 dollar is a reasonable price to get a 3 piece LP set i can't help but wondering if YOU'RE being serious... I was just a bit surprised by you labeling Lights In The Attic as a label that have execs in big houses and cars when they're pretty much the opposite. They're a great example of a small label that tries to put out quality music for a very decent price. Small labels like LITA usually strike deals with record plants so to suggest they should get additional one(s) in other continents is quite preposterous. Even if they did, you can't expect the plant to ship it directly to customers, they would need an office or distribution point in every continent as well. As grumpella already showed, shipping CAN actually be that expensive. They're a small label so I'm pretty sure they'll charge for international tracking and insurance to not get fucked over. Not to mention the weight. I sell lots of records myself and have gotten burned with international sales before so I also charge for tracking and insurance now. Yes it sucks non US fans that this one time Lanegan merch is really expensive but on the other hand overseas fans do get a lot more benefits overall these last few years. Especially in a lot of European countries where you sometimes are able to see him 2,3 times a year. So yeah I can totally understand that it sucks, but to say you're so disappointed and frustrated by the label and even the artist I find a bit of a stretch. I can't imagine either party deliberately trying to screw over the fans. Also for what it's worth and shipping aside, the package described with book, 3x heavyweight LPs for $30 I find to be a VERY good deal these days. Especially compared to the newest 1xLP Pearl Jam released for $35 a few weeks ago that is full of skips, pops and other issues.
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Post by moorfiend on Oct 26, 2013 0:28:44 GMT -5
Oh I'm very serious, believe me... Why wouldn't I be? I''m sorry for not being able to join the 'we're sooo happy about any new release' party here As much as I love Mark's music, it doesn't mean I can't be critical or question the choices he makes. Edit: but if I'm missing something here, please enlighten me Editing again: and if you think 85 dollar is a reasonable price to get a 3 piece LP set i can't help but wondering if YOU'RE being serious... I was just a bit surprised by you labeling Lights In The Attic as a label that have execs in big houses and cars when they're pretty much the opposite. They're a great example of a small label that tries to put out quality music for a very decent price. Small labels like LITA usually strike deals with record plants so to suggest they should get additional one(s) in other continents is quite preposterous. Even if they did, you can't expect the plant to ship it directly to customers, they would need an office or distribution point in every continent as well. As grumpella already showed, shipping CAN actually be that expensive. They're a small label so I'm pretty sure they'll charge for international tracking and insurance to not get fucked over. Not to mention the weight. I sell lots of records myself and have gotten burned with international sales before so I also charge for tracking and insurance now. Yes it sucks non US fans that this one time Lanegan merch is really expensive but on the other hand overseas fans do get a lot more benefits overall these last few years. Especially in a lot of European countries where you sometimes are able to see him 2,3 times a year. So yeah I can totally understand that it sucks, but to say you're so disappointed and frustrated by the label and even the artist I find a bit of a stretch. I can't imagine either party deliberately trying to screw over the fans. Also for what it's worth and shipping aside, the package described with book, 3x heavyweight LPs for $30 I find to be a VERY good deal these days. Especially compared to the newest 1xLP Pearl Jam released for $35 a few weeks ago that is full of skips, pops and other issues. You're exactly right. I run a vinyl distro myself and have been burned with International First Class Mail and its unreliable tracking before. Light in the Attic is smart to only ship this via International Priority or Express Mail so they can offer insurance and good/reliable tracking information so they don't take losses on lost packages or buyers claiming a package has been lost due to unreliable tracking. I'm sure this will be available in Europe and I can assure you that the black vinyl version sounds just as good as the colored versions and that's what really counts.
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Post by cameron4321 on Oct 26, 2013 0:49:20 GMT -5
The good folks at Light in the Attic pretty much rule. They are never over priced, they always have a quality products with amazing packaging and you can tell that their releases are a real labor of love! Can't wait to see how this anthology looks. If you saw the detail that went into their Lee Hazelwood releases (and all the others for that matter) then you would be even more stoked about this than you already are...if that is possible. I gotta think that Mark chose these guys for the anthology for a reason....which is because they take their time, they do right and they release some pretty amazing stuff!
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Post by SheBangsTheTrums on Oct 26, 2013 2:33:55 GMT -5
Just a slight off track but to do with postage. I live in Oz and I got that bat tour poster for $40 but it's costing me $40 for postage - that weighs peanuts BUT I could have picked one up probably at union chapel and arrived home in worse condition!!
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Post by foriamtheway on Oct 26, 2013 3:26:33 GMT -5
Ok i must admit that I was a bit bad mooded and sleep deprived when typing that yesterday and probably should have kept my complains to myself. But I didn't and now I feel the need to react, so sorry about complaining again. I do know who LitA are, and in fact that's why I was disappointed with this (but I do agree the houses/cars comment was uncalled for). I own some of their Lee Hazlewood releases and they look and sound absolutely wonderful and I don't mind paying extra for a quality product which is obviously made with a lot of love for the music itself. I don't think the Mark Lanegan Anthology is overpriced. I actually wouldn't mind paying a bit more for the colored version if I would be able to buy it in a store. What I don't get is why I was able to buy the Lee Hazlewood stuff in indepedent recordstores for a reasonable price, without having to pay for shipping, but this one I have to buy online only. If I'm not mistaken LitA is one of those labels that's usually supportive of recordstores, but with these online subscriptions and online only deals, aren't they doing the opposite? Lately a lot of vinyl releases have special and limited editions that are only available in indepedent recordstores and colored editions are also being sold for fans who are usualy first to buy these records. I don't get why they have to be online only. And isn't it a labels job to get the music distrubuted all over the world? Why do I have to pay for shipping and insurance when they are distributing other records to recordstores, where I don't have to pay for shipping and handeling? I just can't get my head around it, and probably am missing the point completely, but somehow it doesn't feel right to me. Also my english isn't that good, so it's hard for me to explain with nuance, so I probably sound a bit more harsh than I mean things. And now, I am over it and already decided that I am going to wait until the regular version hits the stores and then going to enjoy the hell out of it
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Post by silence on Oct 26, 2013 3:51:31 GMT -5
what is "tip on"? (I AM going to sleep now) It's a weirdy old bookbinding term that has recently found its way into providing selling points for records What it basically is, is that all the external artwork is a separate layer printed on high-quality paper which is then glued onto the blank card sleeve, as opposed to printing direct onto card. This looks better, and also strengthens the cover. I'll go on about the other stuff later, but I've got a blistering headache so am going back to sleep for a bit...
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