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Post by glt on Feb 19, 2024 6:47:41 GMT -5
I'd love to see a box set / repress of all of the live records he sold at his concerts. Also, there were plenty of the live cds that never were never pressed to vinyl as well. I highly doubt we'll see any of those again. I suspect there were some publishing/royalty issues that were skirted around by selling them in small quantities at gigs only. Some may remember some of the early ones being sold online briefly but they quickly disappeared. I remember that those that didn't sell at shows were put up on his website at one point, was a good way to pick up some, as often some only appeared at US shows and some only appeared at Euro/UK shows, so was hard to collect them all. At one of the post-gig signings around 2016/17, a friend asked Lanegan if any of the prior live shows would be re-released/pressed, and he said that they were really only pressed to give him something unique to sell at shows, as merchandise and ticket sales were largely his main routes to make money and keep touring (I think he mentioned that in interviews a couple of times). Whilst the estate may choose different, if that was largely their only purpose, and given that Lanegan's fan base is relatively niche/small, they may not choose to repress them.
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Post by glt on Jun 13, 2023 10:52:00 GMT -5
There definitely are demo recordings for the new Mark Lanegan band album. I remember that from late 2020 interview where Mark said he has everything ready to record new album in early 2021. Of course then covid hit him. Gary Lee Conner also shared that Mark wanted to rework these two songs for the album -> www.youtube.com/watch?v=lazQ-OOj7P4 Who know, maybe we will hear it someday if the vocals are there in good quality. Black Phoebe LP was also completed before Mark death so I'm sure at least that will show up sometime in the future. I'm sure Lanegan said that the Black Phoebe full LP was already completed when the initial EP was originally released. Black Phoebe, I believe was one of the things being worked on in Belgium the week before he passed. I'm not sure if this was tweaking the LP before a potential release or whether there was further material being worked on, in addition to the LP. Perhaps we will find out in time.
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Post by glt on May 10, 2023 7:18:58 GMT -5
I can believe that there is a lot of material that has been recorded and never released. There was likely a new album in the works too, but who knows how far down the line that was.
Greg Dulli had previously said that he had two unreleased Gutter Twins tracks that he could recall recording (covers of 'California Dreaming' and Cat Powers' 'Cross Bones Style'), but that he had no idea where they were, and so they were unlikely to be released. It would be nice if those turned up at some point.
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Post by glt on Apr 20, 2023 5:08:06 GMT -5
Thanks for these. Much appreciated.
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Post by glt on Apr 4, 2023 7:12:06 GMT -5
It also has some stuff by David Coppin Lanegan, Mark's nephew.
Will be interesting to see if the style and themes are similar to those of his uncle in any way.
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Post by glt on Mar 13, 2023 4:14:53 GMT -5
I don't regret reading it and find it a good complement to the books written by Mark Lanegan himself. I really liked the little details or anecdotes told by his friends or fellow musicians. This, for example, allowed me to discover Robbie Basho. That is always a bonus from a book if you discover new music. I only heard of Robbie Basho a few years back after Lanegan shared a song of his on Twitter and recommended the Visions of the Country album, which I then went and bought. Great stuff.
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Post by glt on Mar 1, 2023 5:03:48 GMT -5
Good thing Rough Trade had a THREE per customer limit.... FFS I can understand that it might work out for some genuine fans (i.e, I did see some people I know from a Facebook group whereby they bough one for themselves and one for a friend who could'nt afford it there and then but was going to pay them back on payday), but I think with things so limited like that, that one per customer is the way to go. You see the vultures in stores on record store day where there is a multi-limit of things, starting off out the line in a shop in a group of two or three and then going in and buying u as many as they can and talking outside after about the killing they'll make on ebay. Frustrating.
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Post by glt on Feb 28, 2023 16:34:29 GMT -5
Absolutely fucking shocking , hope they can sleep well at night! Similar on ebay too, unfortunately. Saw a set of three recent Rough Trade releases going for £250 and a couple of Stone Pony ones for £150 each. Vultures.
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Post by glt on Feb 28, 2023 8:44:00 GMT -5
It was never going to live up to any of Mark's own writing, but I think as many have said, there are a few tidbits in there that I hadn't heard, and hearing some of Lanegan's creative processes from the likes of Mike Johnson and Alain Johannes was interesting.
I'd heard Jeff Fielder previously say that he was due to play at the funeral/memorial service in LA and had to withdraw due to Covid. It was interesting to hear what his choice of songs were.
I quite enjoyed reading Gary Lee Connors' recollections, and found that he was generally fairly complimentary about Lanegan, despite the way he was spoken of in Sing Backwards and Weep. I think his friends all spoke well of his loyalty as a friend and largely tried to balance the mean and harsh side that Lanegan had with their own recollections of more humourous and laid back times.
I agree that it also seemed rushed, some small errors on titles of things and stuff which could have been remedied with a quick look at the back catalogue and some printing errors which made it look like some pages hadn't been proof-read (sentences you had just read appeared to start up again in the middle of the next sentence was something I saw a couple of times).
I like Chad Channing, but got the idea he didn't really know Mark and his contributions seemed to act just as filler and not really any different than if they had just asked a fan for some opinions a lot of the time.
Some of it did seem to come-off very speculative and gossipy/tabloid-y at times, with part of one chapter seemingly just dedicated to everyone having a guess at Lanegan's cause of death and allusions being made to Lanegan whilst not possibly falling into exact old habits, at least having issues with pills/speed in latter years. It does paint a picture of someone who did largely liked to keep to himself, and that lots of people who were fairly close to him didn't know as much as you thought they might. He seemed quite guarded was a general impression (possibly not that surprising, I think one of his poems is purely about wanting his own business kept to himself).
Overall, I think if you are interested in Lanegan, it's a decent little read, with a few funny and interesting bits, but not essential in any way.
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Post by glt on Feb 20, 2023 5:32:47 GMT -5
Contacted Lucy at Pomoma Books and unfortunately she hasn't come across any copies of "Sleevenotes" in a awhile. It's the only thing missing right now from my Lanegan collection so I'm eager to a least get a glimpse of it somehow. I'm assuming it's a slim volume of limited pages so I'm wondering what it would take to convince some lucky owner of this rare tome to scan it and post a pdf somewhere. I've already checked some of the bibliographic archive sites to see if copies are available for on-line viewing and/or downloading but so far no luck. I think they realised even at the last few shows on the MLB tour of 2019 that it was going out of print and the merch stall was selling it at £25 at the Roundhouse in London, when it usually went for it's RRP of 7.99. I remember seeing a few people buying it and then complaining when they saw the RRP on the back. Possibly still looking like a good purchase now though, as it's so hard to get.
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Post by glt on Feb 15, 2023 12:32:27 GMT -5
justinhampton.com/"Visual Feast" (author: Justin Hampton) has been in the works for a while now, but casual fans may have missed it. Mostly tour posters, but in one of Justin's updates about the book the author mentions that he writes about an event he attended with Mark Lanegan and Jeff Fielder. Also the Lanegan chapter is 18 pages (I'm guessing it is mostly artwork). There is a free preview of the book here: bit.ly/VisualFeastPreview And yes, it is a bit pricey. I believe that the event is a poster signing which I attended (I believe a few others here did too) at the Flood Gallery in London, where Justin and Mark signed his 'Night Porter' posters, followed by a short set from Lanegan and Jeff afterwards. Unfortunately, a lot of people missed the set, or at least the start, as it was announced that the signing would take place at about midday, with the set scheduled for 4pm. Unfortunately the set commenced right after the signing, leading to a lot of disgruntled fans who had purchased the poster. I was lucky and could here the set starting from a nearby pub, and managed to only miss part of the first song. As an apology, anyone with their wristbands from this event were invited to attend a show-before-a-show later in the year before Mark's Islington gig, in the nearby council chambers. One of the more surreal shows I've attended, as Lanegan decided not to take his usual spot, leaving Jeff Fielder and Lyenn in the middle of the council chambers, while he sang from back on the pews pretty much out of sight and behind everyone.
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Post by glt on Feb 6, 2023 12:38:12 GMT -5
No more copies will be made of these type of bootleg releases. How do you know this? I'm guessing there's a lot of recorded gigs that could be released? I think Cameron4321 is right re the prices - I struggle to get my head round the price of vinyl. I still think a cd is £10. I'm only going to guess but I think Lanegan and the band had previously said when the older 'bootlegs' were released that they would only sell those that were pressed for the gigs and that then no further copies would be pressed. Following that logic with these would lead to the conclusion that there would be no more. However, that was obviously something said before the sad events of laselis vt Feebruary when the band were still touring, and so maybe in the future we will see them reissued in some form (perhaps due to the size of Lanegan's fanbase, a large vinyl or CD reprinting of these hows may not be cost-effective for the estate, but perhaps an MP3/Streaming release via Bandcamp or something like that may a possibility some way down the line). We can but hope.
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Post by glt on Feb 6, 2023 12:14:52 GMT -5
I do not see this as price gouging at all. Mark sold vinyl for 40 euros a piece at his concerts during the last tour. We should just be thankful that these actually saw the light of day and hope that the funds are all going to Shelly. It's just so sad and I'm going to have a hard time listening to these new live shows, but god damn that band with Aldo on keys and Jeff on guitar was hot shit, so I'd gladly pay out the nose for any live shows. I loved the band as it was, though reading an interview with Aldo and others just after Mark passed, it seemed that Jeff was going to be replaced on any 2022 dates by Geoffrey Burton as Mark wanted a less rootsy/more punky sound. One of the many things with his passing that would have been interesting to hear live, but which is never to be.
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Post by glt on Feb 4, 2023 15:42:26 GMT -5
A BIG shout-out to ALL the very kind & generous forum members here who have assisted in helping me secure copies of Mark's official live recordings over the yrs - some great peeps indeed! On the note of "inflation" as an excuse for the price-gouging - by the clerk's own admission, these have been warehoused for the last cpl of yrs - ie they were produced long before the recent rise in inflation. Just saying is all It's all a bit of a moot point now as they are sold anyhow but just because they were produced before prices have risen the fees that would likely have been charged by a venue they would have been sold at D their cut (with the 2020 tour cancelled they probably would have been sold at the dates Mark was looking to do in 2022) or indeed any cut that Rough Trade have taken this year will be taken in proportion to the times they are being sold. As a comparison, if a movie was finished production five years ago but was delayed being released for until now, the tickets at the cinema wouldn't be at 2018 prices for it. I just am not sure it's fair to call Rough Trade's prices (probably agreed by the estate) as gouging when at Lanegan's own shows the prices of vinyl jumped from about £30 to £40 between 2017 and 2019 (at least at UK shows). I just feel they've probably been priced so that the estate and whomever receives the proceeds of the sale receive the same percentage that Lanegan would have done were they sold at the shows. I do however detest all those that have bought them up and are now selling them for extortionate prices on ebay and Discogs. I saw Mescalito going for £200 earlier on Discogs. Sad for those that would genuinely have wanted them when that happens.
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Post by glt on Feb 3, 2023 12:13:33 GMT -5
I have to admit, I think there should have been a one per customer limit. Seeing them on ebay for that price is soul destroying, but it has happened with pretty much all of the other live releases to an extent too. Not sure how they can stop that (though a one per customer limit would have curtailed it). That said, I do know of someone who purchased two of each, one for themselves and one for a friend of theirs who wouldn't have had the cash to buy them until later this month (and therefore would have not had the chance), so I guess it has advantages for some genuine fans too.
However, while it is a lot of money for a vinyl (that is something that can't be argued with), it is probably around what they would have cost on a tour date these days. At the final few shows on the 2019 UK tour, CDs were going for £20, and the live/bootleg vinyls were £40.
With rising costs of just about everything these days, I can imagine that this price wouldn't be far off of what they would have sold for at a show. Hopefully Shelley/the Lanegan estate get the same sort of proceeds from them as they would have at a show.
Rough Trade East is only just down the road from where I work. I was speaking to one of the staff in there about them when collecting Mescalito, and they said they believe that the release was approved by Shelley (he just said 'his wife') and had been sitting in storage in Belgium, with the arrangement with Rough Trade being arranged since November/December last year. I didn't even think about the date being so close to the anniversary to mention that to him.
I don't think that any future official releases (for example a studio album/outtakes album if there happened to have been anything completed) would be this pricey and more like a usual CD/vinyl price, but think this was designed to be sold at a similar price-point to what they were at the shows. Lanegan always used to say that the merch sold at shows, along with the ticket sales was his main source of income pretty much, especially in recent years with more of the albums being streamed, so hopefully these releases prove that way too for Shelley and his estate.
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Post by glt on Feb 1, 2023 5:42:35 GMT -5
If it helps too, Iman also sells the book through her Ebay Uk page, under the name Klaggster. She is quite responsive through that via the messaging feature and will arrange dedictations, autographs to the book if you require them (she may also do this via Bandcamp, but I've not used that myself for this book). Book looks like trash. And the fact it was done right after Mark passed…. Without his input. Looks like imgur snags with Lanegan lyrics on top. And the misspelling “Darl Mark”? Pass. Save your god damned money. Not sure about the misspelling, just a typo on the Moochin' About page I think. The book doesn't have it, and Mark himself was heavily involved in the process, selecting the quotes and collaborating on the images used in the months before he passed. There have been loads of hastily put together 'books' put together on Mark on Amazon and ebay which appear to be hasty bits of copying and pasting from his own work and readily available interviews on the internet. Iman's book is definitely not one of those. It's actually very well put together, and in my view is a great addition to a Lanegan collection.
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Post by glt on Jan 20, 2023 6:45:11 GMT -5
If it helps too, Iman also sells the book through her Ebay Uk page, under the name Klaggster. She is quite responsive through that via the messaging feature and will arrange dedictations, autographs to the book if you require them (she may also do this via Bandcamp, but I've not used that myself for this book).
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Post by glt on Jan 17, 2023 8:44:39 GMT -5
If you can get hold of Sleevenotes, I think that is well worth a read, though it is very short and will not take long at all to read (mind you, Devil In A Coma is a fairly short read too, though obviously different in content and interspersed with poetry). It has more depth than 'I Am The Wolf' as something to sit down and read.
There are some stories in Sleevenotes (some quite sad) behind some of the earlier songs not covered in Sing Backwards and Weep, and some of the stories/anecdotes for those songs recorded past the time period covered by that book are the only written record I can think of that Lanegan put down in his own words which have a similar style and flow to that memoir/autobiography.
Lanegan always said he would never do a book that directly follows-up Sing Backwards and Weep, so the stories found in Sleevenotes from this latter period, including his first marriage (briefly) and Bubblegum onwards are to my mind his only written work that hints at what a Sing Backwards and Weep follow up would have possibly contained.
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Post by glt on Nov 10, 2022 6:15:15 GMT -5
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Post by glt on Aug 1, 2022 3:37:42 GMT -5
In terms of future releases, I know that the second Humanist album is now in the works (may even be finished, I think the first single has just been released).
It wouldn't surprise me if there was a Lanegan track or two on there, be it something already recorded specifically for this album, or an outtake from the first album (not sure if he ever recorded a version of Shock Collar for the original before deciding that Dave Gahan would be a better fit, but that would be good to hear).
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Post by glt on Jul 27, 2022 9:09:25 GMT -5
I wonder if we could get more official bootlegs released. I realise these were only merchandise stall releases before, so don't know the legal stuff involved in releasing more widely. They used to release any left over on tours on the Lanegan official website when he first started releasing the 'bootleg' CDs at shows, so it would be nice if they could do some re-presses and do the same again (though whether the overall demand would justify the costs, I don't know). I know that he had a few legal issues with copyrights to the cover songs but he changed the tracklisting for those I believe so as not to include covers (which I believe is why a second version of the Leeds CD was released without Julia Dream, and why the wonderful version of This Strange Effect never made it onto the Union Chapel CD).
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Post by glt on Jul 22, 2022 9:38:42 GMT -5
This forum’s been understandably quiet lately. I thought it’d be cool to start a thread about different unreleased projects we’ve heard about since Mark passed. Here are some I remember hearing others discuss in various interviews: - Upcoming Afghan Whigs album on September 9: Mark sings on two tracks - Dark Mark & Skeleton Joe unreleased songs (I believe I heard this in an interview with Joe Cardamone in Mishka Shubaly’s podcast) - Black Phoebe (I can’t remember where I read someone say Shelley is finishing up Black Phoebe stuff) - Movie soundtrack? I think I heard this on a podcast. I can’t remember who he was collaborating with or what the project was. - Mark Lanegan/Isobel Campbell vinyl reissues (mentioned in Performance Anxiety podcast) - Posthumous album? Slight speculation, but I read he had another album fully demoed months before he died, and I believe he was practicing with his band. Maybe there was a completed one? I don’t know. I'm not sure if there will be an album of Black Phoebe stuff pretty much already to go and that the stuff Shelley was working on was in addition to that or whether she was finishing up the album (I seem to remember Mark saying that the full album would have been released the year after the EP and that it was complete, but I cannot find the article now). He did also add that the original Black Phoebe EP was going to be remixed by Not Waving whom he did the Downwelling album with, so I don't know if that will find a release somewhere too.
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Post by glt on May 11, 2022 10:39:49 GMT -5
Have ordered mine. Think it promises to be much better than some of the cheap cash-in bios that have popped up since Mark's passing, especially as he was directly involved in putting it together with the author.
Looking forward to the release-date.
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Post by glt on May 6, 2022 5:32:09 GMT -5
Got my CD today. Wonder if this was Marks last recording? Apparently the vocals were recorded for this in September 2021, so I'd imagine that there's a good chance he recorded some stuff after this, though I have no idea how complete any recordings would be (I believe he was recording in Belgium the week before his death for both Black Phoebe and solo stuff), though what will ever be made public or for general release is anyone's guess.
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Post by glt on Apr 14, 2022 5:17:36 GMT -5
I believe you are correct, and that there is a private memorial service planned for Friday.
A few people on the Screaming Tress fan group that were friends with Mark have mentioned that they are attending and Charles Peterson added on Twitter that he would be supplying some of his photography for the service in LA, although wouldn't be attending himself.
Hopefully it will be a help to his family and friends with the awful grieving process they must be going through.
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