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Post by Lungsey on Sept 8, 2009 8:29:16 GMT -5
Maybe they sent all the reject disks to Australia. well australia was built on rejects
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Sept 8, 2009 8:33:15 GMT -5
oh where is Jack and Gumby when you need them?
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Post by Fields at Midnight on Sept 8, 2009 8:34:17 GMT -5
I spun it again. Gets even better.
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Post by araby on Sept 8, 2009 8:46:14 GMT -5
Thanks Wheels. I've actually been lurking on this board for years, & I'm relieved that I don't appear to have pissed anyone off too badly with my first couple of post's! 'By My Side' is definitley a grower, & sounded amazing when they played it in London the other week.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Sept 8, 2009 8:49:10 GMT -5
dont ever be afraid of stating your opinion, I will protect that until my dying breath, just be respectful....that is all we ask
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Post by kyselina on Sept 8, 2009 13:55:56 GMT -5
I'm hoping to put my opinion down in electrons one of these days (short version: My first reaction was unsure, after many listens all the way through, I absolutely love almost all of it).
But I wanted to bring up Praying Ground. In reading the discussions here, I found myself wondering: How much is our opinion influenced not only by the fact that we are fans of Mark, but also that we somehow think that we know and understand his life experience and suffering that we think comes out in this song. It seems like most of the comments about the SS version were related to Rosa somehow not conveying the sense of pain and suffering (or as someone said, singing about something she doesn't know about..and we know that how?...).
So I did two things. First, I sat down and listened to the two versions back to back, several times. And for me, they fundamentally aren't that different. Without too much trouble, I could imagine Rosa having gone through hard times. I like the original better primarily because (a) I tend to prefer male singers, and (b) it's Mark.
Secondly: I'm going to two shows, with two different friends, both of whom are new to Soulsavers and Mark. After they had listened to the album for a few days, I asked them to compare the two versions. One of them (a guy) replied that it was very close, but he liked the Soulsavers version better, mostly because he prefers female singers (even though he already really likes Mark's voice as well).
I'm going interested to see what the other (female) friend thinks...I'm guessing she'll pick Mark's version.
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Sept 8, 2009 14:21:27 GMT -5
me not caring for the ss version of Praying Ground has zero to do with the fact that it's a ML original. ie, While Lanegan is arguably the better singer, and his version is still superb i probably prefer the BPB version of Sunrise at this point and i didn't think that song could ever be trumped by anyone.
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Post by kyselina on Sept 8, 2009 15:12:30 GMT -5
me not caring for the ss version of Praying Ground has zero to do with the fact that it's a ML original. ie, While Lanegan is arguably the better singer, and his version is still superb i probably prefer the BPB version of Sunrise at this point and i didn't think that song could ever be trumped by anyone. Sorry, didn't mean to imply that everyone thought that way, I was just going by my memory of the discussion (I'm way to lazy to go back & read all of this thread and the Red Ghost thread again) and my memory was probably biased by the most vociferous people. And I agree with you about Sunrise.
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Post by Lungsey on Sept 8, 2009 15:21:05 GMT -5
I am actually beginning to think i - at least for now - prefer the soulsavers version of it to the lanegan one and i LOVE the lanegan one.
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Sept 8, 2009 15:28:30 GMT -5
me not caring for the ss version of Praying Ground has zero to do with the fact that it's a ML original. ie, While Lanegan is arguably the better singer, and his version is still superb i probably prefer the BPB version of Sunrise at this point and i didn't think that song could ever be trumped by anyone. Sorry, didn't mean to imply that everyone thought that way, I was just going by my memory of the discussion (I'm way to lazy to go back & read all of this thread and the Red Ghost thread again) and my memory was probably biased by the most vociferous people. And I agree with you about Sunrise. no need to apologize, i didn't take any offense
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Post by westriot on Sept 9, 2009 4:20:33 GMT -5
fantastic album. one i believe i will be listening to for a very long time. i had to buy it from amazon dammit but it worth it.
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Post by wheels132 on Sept 9, 2009 5:54:17 GMT -5
Damn, I'm glad I cancelled my amazon purchase and ordered from Rough Trade instead. It only took a week to get the Rough Trade order (as an import), but amazon forecasted up to three weeks. I know amazon likes to cover their ass with shipping dates, but it seems with some people it's taken the whole three weeks to ship, which is ridiculous.
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Post by araby on Sept 9, 2009 8:33:16 GMT -5
dont ever be afraid of stating your opinion, I will protect that until my dying breath, just be respectful....that is all we ask You'll have no trouble from me boss, respectful is my middle name! ;D
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Post by araby on Sept 9, 2009 9:30:30 GMT -5
But I wanted to bring up Praying Ground. In reading the discussions here, I found myself wondering: How much is our opinion influenced not only by the fact that we are fans of Mark, but also that we somehow think that we know and understand his life experience and suffering that we think comes out in this song. It seems like most of the comments about the SS version were related to Rosa somehow not conveying the sense of pain and suffering (or as someone said, singing about something she doesn't know about..and we know that how?...). I can't claim to know a great deal about Mark's life experience, or issues he may have with his own personal demons but that doesn't mean that I can't identify & relate to his music. I do know that he, like all of us at one time or another, has sufferred & that it can be clearly heard in so much of his material is partly what makes it such an intense, moving & universal experience for me. Wether the listener is dealing with an addiction, a failed relationship, atonement, loneliness or their own mortality etc., Mark's music can exert a very cathartic & positive influence. That's kind of how I see it anyway. You can probably tell I'm not much of a 'deep' thinker! I'd hate to make any assumptions regarding Rosa, but I think she does a great job on 'Praying Ground', & holds her own pretty well against the original.
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Post by nobody on Sept 9, 2009 11:11:25 GMT -5
Just finished my seventh listen and the album is fantastic. Rolling Sky and Shadows Fall are my 2 favorites, but it's all good. And I like Red Ghost a lot...no problem with her version of Praying Ground and her duets with Lanegan are superb.
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Post by kyselina on Sept 9, 2009 18:58:25 GMT -5
Damn, I'm glad I cancelled my amazon purchase and ordered from Rough Trade instead. It only took a week to get the Rough Trade order (as an import), but amazon forecasted up to three weeks. I know amazon likes to cover their ass with shipping dates, but it seems with some people it's taken the whole three weeks to ship, which is ridiculous. I just canceled my Amazon order a couple of days ago, assuming I can pick up the CD at the show.
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Post by borracha on Sept 9, 2009 18:59:17 GMT -5
Second day of listening and it keeps getting better and better. Very comforting for fucked up days...
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Post by LostCause on Sept 18, 2009 12:24:00 GMT -5
I am a little late to the party but after listening to Broken at very low volume at work today after DLing it from Amazon there is one clear winner of a song to me, Some Misunderstanding. WOW what a song. Great guitar. The vocals are perfect. I am going to sit down and learn this ASAP. I cannot wait to be able to give the entire thing a once over at normal listening levels. I figured since I am seeing them next weekend I should at least buy the CD.
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Post by barriers on Sept 18, 2009 13:15:20 GMT -5
I'm rather enjoying this album. Probably one of my favourite Mark albums that's not his solo or trees stuff. I'm very glad I've got a quality Lanegan record on vinyl too 'cause it might be awhile before I can find a solo record then afford to spend that type of cash.
I'm really not a fan of the Praying Ground cover. It's decent and I don't think I can be incredibly objective when judging a Mark cover but I don't think it fits very well with the album and that's all I'm going to say. Except that I miss the subtle percussion in the song.
Besides that it seems every song on the album (except the instrumentals) has had it's chance to be song of the day(s) for me. Every time I listened to it a new one would get stuck in my head. Some Misunderstanding and Rolling Sky grabbed me at first. But All the Way Down and Can't Catch the Train have really found a place in my heart lately. I'm also enjoying the instrumentals on this much more that the ones on "It's Not How Far..." I'm not sure why. Maybe I'm listening to Broken as a complete album more or maybe they just tickle my fancy. Seventh Proof is a nice opener but something about Wise Blood just makes me tingle, maybe I'm still tingling from 'Rolling Sky' who knows.
As for Red Ghost, I like her, great duet on Rolling Sky, great backing vocals where applicable and By My Side is a damn good song. I'm not sure how I feel about it being the album's closer but hey whatev's. I'll make sure next week when I see Soulsavers I'll be there when the door opens so I can see her strum on her guitar.
Overall, Broken, two thumbs and three pinky's up!
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Post by kyselina on Sept 18, 2009 18:37:48 GMT -5
Before hearing the album, the first songs I heard (other than You Will Miss Me and Sunrise) were Unbalanced Pieces and Death Bells when they were played on the radio. So those two songs initially set my expectations. On the first listen to the album, I wasn't sure what to make of the drop off in tempo going from those two songs to You Will Miss Me and the following songs.
But, I have learned to give myself at least 3 listens to any new album, from start to end, on the good stereo, with no distractions, before I let any opinions start jelling in my head.
And this case, it didn't even take the 3 listens for the rest of the album to start grabbing me. Some Misunderstanding and Rolling Sky are real standouts, and I love almost everything else. It took me a little longer to warm to All the Way Down, but now I really enjoy it.
The only song that just gets an OK is Can't Catch the Train, and I really haven't yet been able to put into words why that is.
But I just recently started liking "Spiritual" after two years, so just give me more time...
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Post by solitude on Oct 12, 2009 6:03:31 GMT -5
I never even received my Amazon order. Guess I should dig through my yahoo email and see if it was ever shipped. I have listened to Broken faithfully since my show. First I couldn't get off 1-2-3, but now I force myself to listen to it all. I am so moved by the whole album. Some Misunderstanding brings my show all back to me in my daydreams.
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Post by goonerandy on Oct 12, 2009 10:05:53 GMT -5
I still only think it is OK if I am honest. There are some good songs, but as far as Soulsavers goes, it is not as good as the last offering.
I just really hope we see a Mark Lanegan album before long. I enjoy his collaberations, but it would be great to see him tour again in his own right.
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Post by RoSa on Oct 22, 2009 18:13:52 GMT -5
hope someone of you can help me out... I've only downloaded a mp3-version of Broken, that means I have no further information to the songs. I'd be very glad if someone could tell me who did what (vocals, instruments)on which song of Broken?
oh... and since it's my first post: hey everyone!
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Oct 22, 2009 18:32:02 GMT -5
1. "The Seventh Proof" (instrumental) Glover, Machin 3:03 2. "Death Bells" (vocals by Mark Lanegan & Gibby Haynes) Glover, Lanegan, Machin, Warren 4:50 3. "Unbalanced Pieces" (vocals by Mark Lanegan & Mike Patton) Glover, Lanegan, Machin 4:07 4. "You Will Miss Me When I Burn" (vocals by Mark Lanegan & Red Ghost) Oldham 3:48 5. "Some Misunderstanding" (vocals by Mark Lanegan) Clark 7:57 6. "All the Way Down" (vocals by Mark Lanegan) Glover, Lanegan, Machin 4:49 7. "Shadows Fall" (vocals by Mark Lanegan & Richard Hawley) Glover, Lanegan, Machin, Warren 6:36 8. "Can't Catch the Train" (vocals by Mark Lanegan) Glover, Lanegan, Machin 3:34 9. "Pharaoh's Chariot" (vocals by Mark Lanegan & Jason Pierce) Glover, Lanegan, Machin 4:32 10. "Praying Ground" (vocals by Red Ghost) Johnson, Lanegan, Richards 3:44 11. "Rolling Sky" (vocals by Mark Lanegan & Red Ghost) Glover, Lanegan, Machin 7:05 12. "Wise Blood" (instrumental) Glover, Machin 5:37 13. "By My Side" (vocals by Red Ghost) Agostino, Glover, Machin 5:15
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Post by RoSa on Oct 22, 2009 20:56:10 GMT -5
thanks a lot! but is there any info about the instruments they used and who plays which instrument, and also who sings backing vocals?
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