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Post by sean021122 on Oct 2, 2013 12:38:19 GMT -5
I don't care what you want to put out van. This guy sold me 3 boxsets for $150. Either you make good and send me this material or someone is going to do so. I want the items I paid for! This is a fraud and scam and nobody seems to be doing anything about it. I got that same email that said 'around sept 3rd' we will be back after a delay on the artwork. Your idea of 'top quality' is irrelevant. I don't call 'last words' top quality anyway given it sounds like a major label pop record. You guys ruined the raw indie sound you had on the original takes of those 9 songs that first came out on the net in '98. I want my trees music sounding like it did circa 85-90, not a PRODUCT of the digital compressed age of 2000's. Furthermore, my idea of getting what I paid for ($150 for 3 boxsets) is all that fucking matters here. You are having a go at the wrong target here and are well out of order. Van has every right to take action to protect the 'Trees work, and your rant doesn't do you any favours. I appreciate you are disappointed but you should be contacting Paypal or your credit card company to report an alleged fraud. Dude don't scold me for being pissed that I was had for over a $150 fucking dollars. $155 to be exact. It's ok because I'm working on it. I already had my credit card company rub it out and my money will be refunded. But I am a vindictive person and believe me when I get cheated bad things happen to the perpetrator. I WILL find him. I am working on getting ALL his personal information and this fraud will be dealing with legal problems if he already didn't have them before. I'm not doing the Trees any favors, but the people, like me, who paid their hard earned money to a guy who is pathetic enough to promise music he has no business even selling. As far as Van goes. If that is van... If you truly knew him as I do, you would know he's full of shit. He never intended on putting out ANY lost trees material. In fact he's the main one responsible for things NOT coming out. Anytime stuff comes out you can bet most of the push came from guys like Lee and Mark L. Especially Lee. Van doesn't like or believe in their older material and never wanted it to see light of day. He is also a prick who I have been mistreated by in the past. Actually the two good guys are Lee and Lanegan. Van and Pick are pricks. Stuck up, holier than thou rock start types who don't have time for the fans who supported and loved them for all these years. So don't tell me not to put van in his place. He has no intention of putting this out unless of course a ' sellout payoff' is enough for him to do a complete 180 on all his values, which I doubt it. Look for Lee to put out any old trees/purple outside/moonbus recordings that still exist, not Van. This is why I bought from ol' Dukey/Rickey boy in the first place. I actually thought that was Lee hiding behind a YouTube alias but I was wrong. And I know Lee would never pull this shit. He's an amazing person who is a huge influence (along with Lanegan) on my writing, songs, etc...>
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Post by sean021122 on Oct 2, 2013 13:01:37 GMT -5
I don't care what you want to put out van. This guy sold me 3 boxsets for $150. Either you make good and send me this material or someone is going to do so. I want the items I paid for! This is a fraud and scam and nobody seems to be doing anything about it. I got that same email that said 'around sept 3rd' we will be back after a delay on the artwork. Your idea of 'top quality' is irrelevant. I don't call 'last words' top quality anyway given it sounds like a major label pop record. You guys ruined the raw indie sound you had on the original takes of those 9 songs that first came out on the net in '98. I want my trees music sounding like it did circa 85-90, not a PRODUCT of the digital compressed age of 2000's. Furthermore, my idea of getting what I paid for ($150 for 3 boxsets) is all that fucking matters here. sorry to hear you got ripped off as well...I only paid for one but live and learn, right? obviously if you bought 3 you were looking to cash in down the road. no real update as far as this goes. I put in a dispute with paypal but was past the 45 day mark, so probably get nothing. vendor hasn't replied to emails. the site is still up and running but the order page is at least disabled so no one else gets sucked in. Oh really? So you think I bought 3 to 'cash in' later on. Aren't we the pretentious presumptious one now? I don't sell unauthorized music. I have never sold anything by the Trees. They are my favorite band and I wanted to buy a few because I am a fucking collector. Just as I bought a few of "last words" which ended up being a ripoff because it sounds like shit (polished overproduced shit) and reminds me of the sellout incarnation of the trees circa 1992-1996 which I detest. But buying this amazing lost music (from a time when the trees were truly unique and otherworldy) is memorable and meaningful for me and I was supposed to get them all autographed and they were also supposed to be certain numbers. Regardless, don't jump to conclusions because you will end up looking foolish in your calm ocean
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Post by inthefade on Oct 2, 2013 21:14:42 GMT -5
I assure you sean, that you are the only one looking foolish.
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Oct 2, 2013 23:29:51 GMT -5
I'm still blown away that anyone would spent money on unauthorized music at all. As well as the fact that this thread is being allowed in the first place.
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Post by frankblack on Oct 3, 2013 7:48:07 GMT -5
You are having a go at the wrong target here and are well out of order. Van has every right to take action to protect the 'Trees work, and your rant doesn't do you any favours. I appreciate you are disappointed but you should be contacting Paypal or your credit card company to report an alleged fraud. Dude don't scold me for being pissed that I was had for over a $150 fucking dollars. $155 to be exact. It's ok because I'm working on it. I already had my credit card company rub it out and my money will be refunded. But I am a vindictive person and believe me when I get cheated bad things happen to the perpetrator. I WILL find him. I am working on getting ALL his personal information and this fraud will be dealing with legal problems if he already didn't have them before. I'm not doing the Trees any favors, but the people, like me, who paid their hard earned money to a guy who is pathetic enough to promise music he has no business even selling. As far as Van goes. If that is van... If you truly knew him as I do, you would know he's full of shit. He never intended on putting out ANY lost trees material. In fact he's the main one responsible for things NOT coming out. Anytime stuff comes out you can bet most of the push came from guys like Lee and Mark L. Especially Lee. Van doesn't like or believe in their older material and never wanted it to see light of day. He is also a prick who I have been mistreated by in the past. Actually the two good guys are Lee and Lanegan. Van and Pick are pricks. Stuck up, holier than thou rock start types who don't have time for the fans who supported and loved them for all these years. So don't tell me not to put van in his place. He has no intention of putting this out unless of course a ' sellout payoff' is enough for him to do a complete 180 on all his values, which I doubt it. Look for Lee to put out any old trees/purple outside/moonbus recordings that still exist, not Van. This is why I bought from ol' Dukey/Rickey boy in the first place. I actually thought that was Lee hiding behind a YouTube alias but I was wrong. And I know Lee would never pull this shit. He's an amazing person who is a huge influence (along with Lanegan) on my writing, songs, etc...> I'm sure everyone has sympathy for the loss you could be taking if PayPal or your credit card company don't refund you. What I and some others have a problem with in your posts is your attacks on Van and now others in the 'Trees. Van has publically stated that he was going to look into releasing rareties at some point. I guess that time will depend on when Mark and the others aren't releasing their own new material. Give the guy a break.
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Oct 3, 2013 11:11:17 GMT -5
Dude, even if he/they don't release anything you make it seem like they owe it to you. You're not entitled to anything man, what the hell.
also you getting pissed at someone for not delivering something they shouldn't be selling anyway yet you forked over $155 to this very person is downright hilarious. Got what you deserved there by paying for unauthorized music.
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Post by glconner on Oct 9, 2013 15:25:44 GMT -5
I am very sorry that this whole thing happened. I am glad that Sean has apparently got his money back. Buying from a bootlegger is a risk. One of the reasons we never put out much unreleased stuff is that most of it has been lost. I was thrilled when I saw that Rod Doak had all this material. I hadn't heard any of it in years. However instead of letting us have it and put it out or just listen to, he decided to get greedy and try to make a bunch of money (if he sold all that stuff probably $20,000) for himself, ten bucks would have been more appropriate. Rod was a very good friend, supporter, road manager and sound man for the the Trees and all I can say about this is a complete betrayal of that friendship. For anyone that thinks anyone in the Screaming Trees as rock stars, at least speaking for my self, you are dead wrong I think I'm just a normal person who likes to write songs and make music and was luckily enough to be in the Screaming Trees for a few years. We all were very fortunate to do what we did and creatively and artistically it was a dream come true me. As for making money off our music was always very elusive,even when we were on Epic Records. Nowadays we see nickles and dimes here and there but at least Van and I have to have real jobs to support our families. Van is going to put out more old Trees rarities on Strange Earth Records, I don't know if it will include the bootleg stuff because I don't know if we can get it from Rod Doak. Most of it should probably just be on You Tube for free because much of it looks like demos and out takes or stuff I wouldn't want people to have to buy. However I think there is at least a single albums worth of stuff that would be worthy of release on an actual record. (although I think almost all of it is from a cassette recording so that quality can not be too good, the lost album master tapes were reused by the studio they were recorded at and erased. Music is about art and creativity, money and greed just get in the way. Many Happy Returns, Gary Lee Conner
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Post by inthefade on Oct 9, 2013 15:40:48 GMT -5
I would buy anything Screaming Trees. Just putting that out there.
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Post by frankblack on Oct 9, 2013 15:59:41 GMT -5
I would buy anything Screaming Trees. Just putting that out there. Me to - surely there must be live recordings that could be released as well. A lot of acts seem to be having radio-recorded stuff released as albums nowadays such as Pixies, Ramones, Stevie Nicks, Springsteen etc. Who knows what has been recorded? Lets hope the guy with those unauthorised recordings strikes a deal with the band to release them officially. Surely it makes financial sense to both parties.
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Post by wheels132 on Oct 10, 2013 7:46:25 GMT -5
I would buy anything Screaming Trees. Just putting that out there. Same here, absolutely.
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Post by zombyboy on Oct 10, 2013 10:13:49 GMT -5
If it had been a legitimate offer, I would have been happy to pay $50 for it.
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Post by grumpycat on Oct 12, 2013 10:39:25 GMT -5
Lee & Van- Thank you for your posts. I'm a huge fan (and used to be a big bootleg collector) but this thing sounded fishy from the start for me. Too good to be true! I hope Rod turns the tapes over to you and that you do release them, somehow. That lost-double-album has always been like the Holy Grail to me.
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Post by 13977 on Oct 15, 2013 6:40:24 GMT -5
Thanks for posting GL. I look forward to an official Trees rarities album being released on Strange Earth Records
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Post by antiyou on Oct 16, 2013 18:56:35 GMT -5
Thank you very much Connor Bros!
As long as you disclose the sources, I would buy whatever generation of whatever you wanted to sell. If you state it's a cassette transfer of a demo, the public should be well enough informed. Thanks for the many hours of enjoyment.
Conversely, I think the LP version of Sweet Oblivion on MOV records is CD sourced in sound and artwork. I have an original SO on LP and they sound different. Check out what MOV did to your music (although I suspect it's a cashgrab from Sony anyways). I would love to pick up Dust but the prices MOV charge for digital mixes on wax is absurd.
Hoping for any Trees in the future!
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Post by inthefade on Oct 16, 2013 19:29:19 GMT -5
I'll take whatever you guys give us in any format, and any quality.
I want Polly Pereguin, dammit. And all those other songs I hadn't heard until this set came up.
I really wanted that box set. I even cleared a spot on my shelf right next to my stereo for it. I don't know what I'll put there now...
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Post by silence on Oct 17, 2013 0:37:20 GMT -5
If it's Polly Pereguin you're after, Beat Happening's "Music To Climb The Apple Tree By" has the whole split EP on it.
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Post by inthefade on Oct 17, 2013 5:40:00 GMT -5
Oh really? I should do my research...
So how many of the songs offered in this set are unavailable anywhere else? Because there were quite a few that I had never heard.
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Post by wheels132 on Oct 17, 2013 13:22:36 GMT -5
I'd love to have a proper version of Right Combination, that song is frigin infectious. Actually just put out the entire "long lost double album," yeah, that'd be sweet...
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Post by pin964 on Oct 17, 2013 14:26:56 GMT -5
Actually just put out the entire "long lost double album," yeah, that'd be sweet... I'm not so into the Screaming Trees' matters. Could someone tell me more info on the lost double album?
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Post by inthefade on Oct 17, 2013 14:48:46 GMT -5
I don't know the details, but supposedly they recorded it and scrapped it for whatever reason. Some of the songs were re-recorded for Buzz Factory, and some ended up as Purple Outside songs. The rest remain unreleased.
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Post by silence on Oct 17, 2013 15:15:07 GMT -5
Legend has it (unless I've got my stuff mixed up), it was indeed recorded prior to Buzz Factory when Van left the band and was replaced by Donna Dresch - some stories have it as this being genuinely lost (as opposed to being hidden or squirreled away) when the studio it was recorded in moved/closed/whatever. Either way, Van came back and Buzz Factory happened. That this seems to have been intended to be a full, proper release was the only thing in this set (and it's from my favourite era musically of theirs) that had me interested, although having at least most of it resurface in finished versions elsewhere (wasn't Time For Light also part of this originally?) makes it more of a curio than a must-have, if that makes sense! I dunno, maybe enough time has passed now for a whole bunch of everything to appear - Last Words certainly benefitted from a decent-sized pause - but I do sort of agree that a handpicked selection would be preferable to a dumping of every recorded idea, as it's probably not unfair to say that much that any band doesn't release, is unreleased for a reason That said of course, I'm all for paying for a nice cherrypicked collection of stuff followed by a benign and wholly accidental "oops, how did that get on the internet?" mystery leak of the rest of the stuff...
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Post by wheels132 on Oct 18, 2013 7:14:49 GMT -5
If it's Polly Pereguin you're after, Beat Happening's "Music To Climb The Apple Tree By" has the whole split EP on it. Thank you! I love this song, only version I had was a very old, subpar quality version. This is great. Also thanks for the info on the "lost album." I was a bit fuzzy on the details. I thought they had also started on an album in between Sweet Oblivion and Dust, which is where tracks like Paperback Bible, Watchpocket Blues, ESK and I'm assuming Right Combination originated from. I believe the cover of Darkness, Darkness (which is fucking great BTW) also came from this time period but ultimately ended up on the True Lies Soundtrack.
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Post by sean021122 on Oct 25, 2013 8:07:05 GMT -5
I am very sorry that this whole thing happened. I am glad that Sean has apparently got his money back. Buying from a bootlegger is a risk. One of the reasons we never put out much unreleased stuff is that most of it has been lost. I was thrilled when I saw that Rod Doak had all this material. I hadn't heard any of it in years. However instead of letting us have it and put it out or just listen to, he decided to get greedy and try to make a bunch of money (if he sold all that stuff probably $20,000) for himself, ten bucks would have been more appropriate. Rod was a very good friend, supporter, road manager and sound man for the the Trees and all I can say about this is a complete betrayal of that friendship. For anyone that thinks anyone in the Screaming Trees as rock stars, at least speaking for my self, you are dead wrong I think I'm just a normal person who likes to write songs and make music and was luckily enough to be in the Screaming Trees for a few years. We all were very fortunate to do what we did and creatively and artistically it was a dream come true me. As for making money off our music was always very elusive,even when we were on Epic Records. Nowadays we see nickles and dimes here and there but at least Van and I have to have real jobs to support our families. Van is going to put out more old Trees rarities on Strange Earth Records, I don't know if it will include the bootleg stuff because I don't know if we can get it from Rod Doak. Most of it should probably just be on You Tube for free because much of it looks like demos and out takes or stuff I wouldn't want people to have to buy. However I think there is at least a single albums worth of stuff that would be worthy of release on an actual record. (although I think almost all of it is from a cassette recording so that quality can not be too good, the lost album master tapes were reused by the studio they were recorded at and erased. Music is about art and creativity, money and greed just get in the way. Many Happy Returns, Gary Lee Conner I have nothing to say to any of the so called 'fans' on here. I owe you NOTHING! The ones who asskiss, pander, and think their sweet words mean a damn thing and are going to get them brownie points. Bottom line is I've been a fan of the Trees and had a connection with the band as long as or longer than any of you period. And I have had interactions with each member in one capacity or another. I was being completely truthful about them. They are as I described them. Just because Van and Pickerel were assholes then doesn't mean I need to kiss their asses and pretend they were cool. So you can 'have a problem' with me all you want. I don't give a shit. And if Mark were on here, he'd probably tell you the same thing. As he's a very straightforward person who isn't kissing any of your asses either. I haven't said anything about anyone here that wasn't true. Another thing to the rest of you, stop passing judgement on me. You know not what you say or do. I DID NOT get my money back yet btw. But the process is going. Regardless, I'd have paid double that amount of money to get what I thought I was getting. Autographed #1, #2, #3 numbered boxsets of the best eras of the Trees. For me nothing compares to Other Worlds and Clairvoyance, nothing. It almost looked like it came from Gary Lee's old room, everything I was seeing on that guy's site. Which I thought were legit recordings distributed by Lee. You can ask this person about our conversations via email during the period when I was deciding if I wanted to trust him or not. He led me to believe he was Lee. Unlike the rest of you unscrupulous selfish fools on here, I would NOT have purchased any of these recordings if I knew the guy was a fraud. I actually have dealt with Lee before businesswise. I really wish I could get to talk to him more personally but what are you going to do. I supported his Moonbus Label for years, cassettes, cd's, everything. And sent him numerous mail online and otherwise. His music, his vision, his voice, his legacy has had an astounding effect on my life. Same thing with Mark Lanegan. I have an even more personal connection with Mark that I'm sure some of you wants to disparage as well, but unfortunately I am not going to divulge that. As I said before, my personal run-ins with Van and Pickerel were what they were, not good. I will go as far as to say I know the reason why Lee and Van fought so much in the past and it's because of Van. He's got an attitude problem and at least back a few years ago he was completely full of himself and could care less about the fans who supported him. I can see why Lee would have issues with him. If he were my brother I'd fight him too Pickerel, well, he's just like Van (probably why they got along better), and I imagine he has some disillusionment towards the last years of his career with the Trees as well. To Lee:--: I want to say thank you for posting on here. And to apologize to you, and only you, for any so called negative vibes from my posts. But Van and Pickerel are STILL pricks And you know this to be true. And I apologize for thinking that you were the guy behind the YT screenname selling the cd's. Believe me I did not think I was buying from a bootlegger. I thought it was truly you or Patrick.. Look at all those videos, the pics, everything. It looks like it all came from your collection and your old room. I even sent you a few msgs on your GLconner YouTube acct to ask you about it and got no response so I figured it was your new account. The guy promised me autographs of the boxsets and seemed to be on the level. All the things you said about the Trees and yourself are humble. And you have always been a cool, humble, ultratalented person who never got the notoriety you deserved. Of course you never desired to be famous. But you were deserving of it and gave of yourself in all incarnations of your spirit and aura! You have inspired me in sooo many ways Lee! I've been writing for years, soo many different things. And it was your music, your enlightenment that showed me my path! I wish you'd resurrect the Moonbus or do something along those lines again.I know you still have a boatload of your own stuff and Trees stuff that hasn't seen light of day. You're just as obsessed with Velvetone/K/SST/Sub Pop era Trees material as I am and I bet you can still feel everything as if you just stepped into that little studio in Ellensburg to record for the first time. Hell I already have a good amount of it that many of these troglodytes on here (or on other trees' sites) have never even heard before (nor know exist) and you would probably have a warm heart from hearing again right about now I'd love to talk to you some more... I know you are busy... I'm not really great with computers, but send me a PM on here and on YT here's my channel, devoted to the furthering of the Trees' legacy.... www.youtube.com/user/Sean021122Many Happy Returns...> -sean-
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Post by LostCause on Oct 25, 2013 16:42:19 GMT -5
Unlike the rest of you unscrupulous selfish fools on here, I would NOT have purchased any of these recordings if I knew the guy was a fraud. All I can say is get the hell off of your high horse. Self righteous Jackass. What the heck did you think you were getting into with an advertised Unauthorized Box Set?
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Post by frankblack on Oct 26, 2013 5:13:02 GMT -5
Unlike the rest of you unscrupulous selfish fools on here, I would NOT have purchased any of these recordings if I knew the guy was a fraud. All I can say is get the hell off of your high horse. Self righteous Jackass. What the heck did you think you were getting into with an advertised Unauthorized Box Set? Well said. sean021122 - I genuinely think you may need some serious help. Your posts are full of delusion, bullshit and paranoia, and you should have left the topic after you made an ass of yourself the first time as any normal person would have done to let it die. The fact you seem to feel the band owe you everything is quite frankly bizarre. You are not a better fan than any other and have no god given right to be treated as one. Any sympathy I initially had for you has long gone.
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