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Post by pin964 on Mar 7, 2022 3:37:36 GMT -5
New books written with Wesley Eisold.
Year Zero - A World With No Flowers and Ghost Radio are the second and third books in the Lanegan/Eisold trilogy.
Sorry, to me it's grim commercial operation.
I am disappointed in Wesley.
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Post by reznore on Mar 7, 2022 5:44:10 GMT -5
I don't know him whatsoever, but the man gotta eat and pay rent.
If Lanegan wanted those books published, I don't see the problem.
Also Lanegan's wife might get some money as well ?
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 7, 2022 7:43:07 GMT -5
I’m not anti-posthumous releases unless the person who is no longer with us made it clear they didn’t want stuff released. My understanding is that Mark was writing and recording a lot at the time he died and I have been expecting to see some posthumous releases. I trust Shelley to make the call about which of the writings and recordings to release. I’m assuming if these are already being produced and released they were in finished form anyway.
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Post by raeni on Mar 9, 2022 2:36:59 GMT -5
I already preordered them. Mark was happy with the poetry, and looking forward to it coming out. By a weird coincidence, he happened to message me last August as I sat in the emergency room, having just been bitten in the face by a dog . When I answered him I told him what had just happened to me, and even sent a picture of my bloody lip and cheek. He "kept me company" while I waited, messaging back and forth about upcoming projects until I got called in to see the doctor. I had recently finished "Leaving California" and told him how much I liked it, and mentioned "the one he wrote with Joe Cardamone", because my shaken up brain couldn't come up with the name. Below is a screenshot of his reply. When I read the last sentence I cracked up. As shitty as it was getting my face bit, I went home happy because of the absolute coincidence of being on line at the same time, to get to have this conversation. Other than a brief note back and forth on his birthday, this was the last time I got to "talk" to him.  I had some things I wanted to say to him, about Devil In Coma, [which is what we had been talking about in the previous conversation, when he was telling me it was to be a surprise release in Nov. with no pre-press] and some other small things, but I waited, wanting not to be too intrusive - I always waited, I rarely sent him any sort of messages, and when I saw him in person I always made what I had to say as short as possible, for fear I'd be a nuisance. My friends always told me it looked like I was trying to get away whenever we spoke. He said I was his friend, and I never really believed, not because of anything he did or said, but because I was sure I was not much worth his time and that if I just hung around and acted like a normal person, I would start to be a pain in the ass and he would start cringing whenever he saw me heading his way. I realize now what an idiot I have been. I saw plenty of fans march right up and talk, and I never thought any of that about them, and he never appeared annoyed by them. So don't do this, folks. Believe in yourself, and your friends, before it's too late. Allow yourself to enjoy all the minutes of happiness you have left to you. |
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Post by glt on Mar 9, 2022 4:41:09 GMT -5
I did feel at first that it looked a little like commercialism, as I know that the second book had already been mentioned as being due for release, but it seems like the third has almost been rushed for release along with it.
However, looking on it, as has been mentioned, Mark seemed happy with the poetry and wanted it released, so I see no reason to delay it. I know that in Wesley's recent e-mail, he mentioned that they were looking at a run of poetry events alongside a small tour later in the year in LA, so I would assume that maybe book three would have been released in time for that. With that not happening now, maybe it's best just to get them out.
Wesley seems like a good guy and I believe he took the time to fly to Mark's small funeral service in Ireland. I think that (as has already mentioned), he would have consulted with the family before releasing them, and it will bring some money to Mark's family, hopefully too.
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Mar 9, 2022 10:37:37 GMT -5
preordered both too, and thanks for sharing Raeni.
we don't know shit about when these were supposed to come out, they might have been planned all along to be released around this time. Instead of seeing it as money grabs, be grateful that we still have some new material to digest even after his passing.
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Post by pin964 on Mar 9, 2022 11:30:41 GMT -5
I’m well aware that the two poetry publications were planned but it’s been two weeks since Mark passed away. Sorry too soon. I could believe he’s taking advantage of this tragic event.
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Post by pin964 on Mar 9, 2022 11:33:51 GMT -5
Wesley seems like a good guy and I believe he took the time to fly to Mark's small funeral service in Ireland. Maybe I'm wrong but my doubts grow when I see Wesley, Peter Hook and his son take a picture together in front of the church in Killarney (where probably the Mark’s funeral was celebrated) and shared it on social network. It’s not my cup of tea. |
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 9, 2022 17:20:40 GMT -5
I already preordered them. Mark was happy with the poetry, and looking forward to it coming out. By a weird coincidence, he happened to message me last August as I sat in the emergency room, having just been bitten in the face by a dog . When I answered him I told him what had just happened to me, and even sent a picture of my bloody lip and cheek. He "kept me company" while I waited, messaging back and forth about upcoming projects until I got called in to see the doctor. I had recently finished "Leaving California" and told him how much I liked it, and mentioned "the one he wrote with Joe Cardamone", because my shaken up brain couldn't come up with the name. Below is a screenshot of his reply. When I read the last sentence I cracked up. As shitty as it was getting my face bit, I went home happy because of the absolute coincidence of being on line at the same time, to get to have this conversation. Other than a brief note back and forth on his birthday, this was the last time I got to "talk" to him. View AttachmentI had some things I wanted to say to him, about Devil In Coma, [which is what we had been talking about in the previous conversation, when he was telling me it was to be a surprise release in Nov. with no pre-press] and some other small things, but I waited, wanting not to be too intrusive - I always waited, I rarely sent him any sort of messages, and when I saw him in person I always made what I had to say as short as possible, for fear I'd be a nuisance. My friends always told me it looked like I was trying to get away whenever we spoke. He said I was his friend, and I never really believed, not because of anything he did or said, but because I was sure I was not much worth his time and that if I just hung around and acted like a normal person, I would start to be a pain in the ass and he would start cringing whenever he saw me heading his way. I realize now what an idiot I have been. I saw plenty of fans march right up and talk, and I never thought any of that about them, and he never appeared annoyed by them. So don't do this, folks. Believe in yourself, and your friends, before it's too late. Allow yourself to enjoy all the minutes of happiness you have left to you. Oh raeni 💔❤️ Thank you for sharing this heartfelt post and wonderful story. I think a lot of people had similar feelings about/toward Lanegan - worries about being a nuisance. I only ever had the briefest of interactions with him once, after a Gutter Twins show. I shook his hand and thanked him for his music. Whole thing lasted maybe 20 seconds? I would have been mortified for it to have lasted any longer. But after hearing Mishka Shubaly's story about how he, without compunction or apology, pushed himself so hard into Mark's life he went from fan to friend and editor, these self-conscious worries of mine seem so silly. Not that I would have known what else to say to him though!! Anyway, thanks so much for all you've done for all of us over the years. It was such a thrill to find this place still here ❤️ |
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Post by glt on Mar 10, 2022 8:57:54 GMT -5
I already preordered them. Mark was happy with the poetry, and looking forward to it coming out. By a weird coincidence, he happened to message me last August as I sat in the emergency room, having just been bitten in the face by a dog . When I answered him I told him what had just happened to me, and even sent a picture of my bloody lip and cheek. He "kept me company" while I waited, messaging back and forth about upcoming projects until I got called in to see the doctor. I had recently finished "Leaving California" and told him how much I liked it, and mentioned "the one he wrote with Joe Cardamone", because my shaken up brain couldn't come up with the name. Below is a screenshot of his reply. When I read the last sentence I cracked up. As shitty as it was getting my face bit, I went home happy because of the absolute coincidence of being on line at the same time, to get to have this conversation. Other than a brief note back and forth on his birthday, this was the last time I got to "talk" to him. View AttachmentI had some things I wanted to say to him, about Devil In Coma, [which is what we had been talking about in the previous conversation, when he was telling me it was to be a surprise release in Nov. with no pre-press] and some other small things, but I waited, wanting not to be too intrusive - I always waited, I rarely sent him any sort of messages, and when I saw him in person I always made what I had to say as short as possible, for fear I'd be a nuisance. My friends always told me it looked like I was trying to get away whenever we spoke. He said I was his friend, and I never really believed, not because of anything he did or said, but because I was sure I was not much worth his time and that if I just hung around and acted like a normal person, I would start to be a pain in the ass and he would start cringing whenever he saw me heading his way. I realize now what an idiot I have been. I saw plenty of fans march right up and talk, and I never thought any of that about them, and he never appeared annoyed by them. So don't do this, folks. Believe in yourself, and your friends, before it's too late. Allow yourself to enjoy all the minutes of happiness you have left to you. That's a lovely post Raeni. Thanks for all that you have done on this place over the years. |
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Post by glt on Mar 10, 2022 9:02:47 GMT -5
Wesley seems like a good guy and I believe he took the time to fly to Mark's small funeral service in Ireland. Maybe I'm wrong but my doubts grow when I see Wesley, Peter Hook and his son take a picture together in front of the church in Killarney (where probably the Mark’s funeral was celebrated) and shared it on social network. It’s not my cup of tea. Have to agree that the photos were fairly tasteless. We'll never really know the motivations between releasing the books together now (I am pretty sure that one of the Heartworm e-mails they send out had only the second book listed for 'Spring 2022' before Mark left us, so plans have likely changed). It could be that he didn't want to have to face going back to it and so rushed them out, but we will all only be guessing and having our own views on it. Providing that they don't sell out of the pressings by the time I get paid, I will still enjoy reading the poetry. |
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Post by reznore on Mar 10, 2022 11:46:59 GMT -5
Have to agree that the photos were fairly tasteless. Yeah, taking selfie at a funeral is ...weird ? |
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Post by ridley on Mar 14, 2022 23:12:39 GMT -5
What is this? Hate on Wesley shit? All I know...
is Mark and him hadn’t met until recent years. After Calvin Johnson came out to see Cold Cave. Then Mark and Wesley were doing their thing. Which has always been the damn books. Any shit comment is just that... shit. The email he sent out... discussing his last moments with Mark were touching. Not sure how the fuck a person comes off as a “cash in” with the things he included/shared.
And Marks humor certainly didn’t jive with everyone. If anything people should be burning their Cuntney Love shit. That cunt!!! Obviously didn’t read Marks book. What’d she want? Mark to tell everyone how “great” she is?! Fucking Junkie, money hungry whore. She’d have nothing without Kurts last name. She’s a shit excuse for a human.
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 15, 2022 14:15:16 GMT -5
What is this? Hate on Wesley shit? All I know... is Mark and him hadn’t met until recent years. After Calvin Johnson came out to see Cold Cave. Then Mark and Wesley were doing their thing. Which has always been the damn books. Any shit comment is just that... shit. The email he sent out... discussing his last moments with Mark were touching. Not sure how the fuck a person comes off as a “cash in” with the things he included/shared. And Marks humor certainly didn’t jive with everyone. If anything people should be burning their Cuntney Love shit. That cunt!!! Obviously didn’t read Marks book. What’d she want? Mark to tell everyone how “great” she is?! Fucking Junkie, money hungry whore. She’d have nothing without Kurts last name. She’s a shit excuse for a human. What Courtney Love said pissed me off, too. Though I feel like what she actually did for Mark back when it mattered is more important than her since-deleted post, and I tire of seeing the same misogynist tropes/insults hurled at her that people were tossing around in the 1990s. She is clearly a mess and has always been a PR person's nightmare. Like most, I find her enormously dislikeable. But I couldn't roll my eyes harder at the double standard with how male and female "rock stars" are judged for their behavior, especially in the year 2022, and I think it's pretty low to use "junkie" as a dehumanizing term on a Mark Lanegan fanpage, of all places. |
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Post by spirou13 on Mar 15, 2022 14:19:41 GMT -5
What is this? Hate on Wesley shit? All I know... is Mark and him hadn’t met until recent years. After Calvin Johnson came out to see Cold Cave. Then Mark and Wesley were doing their thing. Which has always been the damn books. Any shit comment is just that... shit. The email he sent out... discussing his last moments with Mark were touching. Not sure how the fuck a person comes off as a “cash in” with the things he included/shared. And Marks humor certainly didn’t jive with everyone. If anything people should be burning their Cuntney Love shit. That cunt!!! Obviously didn’t read Marks book. What’d she want? Mark to tell everyone how “great” she is?! Fucking Junkie, money hungry whore. She’d have nothing without Kurts last name. She’s a shit excuse for a human. What Courtney Love said pissed me off, too. Though I feel like what she actually did for Mark back when it mattered is more important than her since-deleted post, and I tire of seeing the same misogynist tropes/insults hurled at her that people were tossing around in the 1990s. She is clearly a mess and has always been a PR person's nightmare. Like most, I find her enormously dislikeable. But I couldn't roll my eyes harder at the double standard with how male and female "rock stars" are judged for their behavior, especially in the year 2022, and I think it's pretty low to use "junkie" as a dehumanizing term on a Mark Lanegan fanpage, of all places.I agree totally with everything you've written Stéphanie! Thanks! |
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Post by spirou13 on Mar 15, 2022 14:20:15 GMT -5
I agree totally with everything you have said, Stéphanie. Thanks!
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Jun 21, 2022 12:53:06 GMT -5
both books came in today, with 2 postcards. one had a pic of Mark and Wes, and the other one was a drawing of Mark with a eulogy by another writer.
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Post by ridley on Nov 27, 2023 19:28:29 GMT -5
What Courtney Love said pissed me off, too. Though I feel like what she actually did for Mark back when it mattered is more important than her since-deleted post, and I tire of seeing the same misogynist tropes/insults hurled at her that people were tossing around in the 1990s. She is clearly a mess and has always been a PR person's nightmare. Like most, I find her enormously dislikeable. But I couldn't roll my eyes harder at the double standard with how male and female "rock stars" are judged for their behavior, especially in the year 2022, and I think it's pretty low to use "junkie" as a dehumanizing term on a Mark Lanegan fanpage, of all places.I agree totally with everything you've written Stéphanie! Thanks! I use “junkie” as I know what one is. And I’d doubt Mark would give a flying fuck. And you probably would give a fuck about what people think of some washed up…. Media whore, junkie. She always has and always will be. |
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