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Post by Stephanie on Feb 21, 2008 9:26:15 GMT -5
That's interesting. I can hear that quality in Janis's voice too, whether it is actually 'harmonics' or not.
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Post by e on Feb 22, 2008 13:49:40 GMT -5
This record LIVE sounds 10 times better,thanks to the new drummer.  Cully plays like there's no tomorrow |
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Post by jeebuz on Feb 23, 2008 5:01:33 GMT -5
I work at a locally owned record store in washington state. Sub-Pop loves us and sent our store a copy of the album, and a shitload of stickers and buttons.
We played the record in our store 3 times in a row. SHIT IS FUCKING GOOD! Oh man.
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Post by e on Feb 23, 2008 13:51:09 GMT -5
i've changed my mind about the sound of the album,thanks to the fabulous show @ the koko now i REALLY LOVE this record,and there isn't one song that i can call "a mess".
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Post by LostCause on Feb 28, 2008 8:40:11 GMT -5
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Post by manintheshadows on Feb 28, 2008 9:23:03 GMT -5
Will type up the NME review later - they give it 7 (out of 10, presumably) and it's quite complimentary, although it reads a bit like an episode of Nathan Barley...
According to their website, there should be a live review also - but it's nowhere to be seen.
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Post by manintheshadows on Feb 28, 2008 10:30:15 GMT -5
Here we go...
NME (Paul Moody):
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Post by on Feb 28, 2008 10:34:13 GMT -5
Here we go... NME (Paul Moody): i knew there was a reason i hadnt bought the NME in the best part of a decade. |
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Post by manintheshadows on Feb 28, 2008 10:39:01 GMT -5
It has stickers and a CD this week as well. Although I think I'll pass.
Last good thing they did was the "Kurt's Choice" CD, although crediting the Bad Brains track to the wrong album really wound me up.
Fortunately, the "paper" is now binned - it's just so devoid of anything that it's actually quite frightening to think that Sounds and Melody Maker both died and this survives. The gig section is quite funny though - why have a map of the UK and arrows pointing at where the shows took place, when every single review was a London-based thing? Arsewater of the highest calibre.
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Post by Trans4mur on Feb 28, 2008 11:31:15 GMT -5
Can a new band exist without the making up a Genre to fit them into, what the fuck is 'Goth-Grunge' ?  Good grief! What a shocking review, I wish they had given it 1/10 Still at least they got his name right this time |
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Post by manintheshadows on Feb 28, 2008 11:39:39 GMT -5
This is the thing with most music journalists - they are all incapable of talking about a band without feeling that they have to compartmentalise them, however innacurate. I suspect he was also paid to namecheck as many other bands as humanly possible, regardless of relevance. What's actually better is the ad on the NME's back cover - Zavvi.co.uk have Saturnalia on there as a half-page thingy, and with a "...and well worth the wait", sums it up far better than the actual review does (as nowhere does it really state if the reviewer actually liked or disliked it). This is also good because the back cover signifies the best part of the NME, and the relief that there's no more to look at (because there's not been anything to actually read in there for years) is immeasurable  |
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Post by alyosha on Mar 1, 2008 5:11:46 GMT -5
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Post by alyosha on Mar 1, 2008 16:15:12 GMT -5
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Post by alyosha on Mar 1, 2008 16:22:46 GMT -5
In the Twisted Ear review, the author writes, "But not everything is dominated by Lanegan's death rattle. Who Will Lead Us? and Seven Stories Underground are two Dulli-led tracks that are more pensive than portentous, driven by restrained, subtle blues." Much to my chagrin, it's the second time a reviewer has mistaken Dulli for Lanegan on these two aforesaid tracks. I love those two tracks because Lanegan shines with his versatile vocal style. For some reason, this journalist for whatever reason, can't get his head around the fact that Lanegan CAN sing in other ranges than his "death rattle" baritone...
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Post by on Mar 1, 2008 16:57:15 GMT -5
In the Twisted Ear review, the author writes, "But not everything is dominated by Lanegan's death rattle. Who Will Lead Us? and Seven Stories Underground are two Dulli-led tracks that are more pensive than portentous, driven by restrained, subtle blues." Much to my chagrin, it's the second time a reviewer has mistaken Dulli for Lanegan on these two aforesaid tracks. I love those two tracks because Lanegan shines with his versatile vocal style. For some reason, this journalist for whatever reason, can't get his head around the fact that Lanegan CAN sing in other ranges than his "death rattle" baritone... the thing to remember is this... journalists (much like people who post on internet forums) are generally just idiots who talk a lot and know very little. and yes, they're the best vocals on the album. fucking love them both. it clearly shows that these journalists are clueless, because Lanegan has sung in those versatile styles for years.. i suppose they think Dulli did lead on Lanegan's Strange Religion too. imbeciles. |
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Post by alyosha on Mar 1, 2008 17:16:43 GMT -5
The tip of the iceberg for me is when the author writes, Dulli "has the best line of the album in "Oh ... heaven, it's quite a climb..."
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Post by wheels132 on Mar 1, 2008 17:40:36 GMT -5
The tip of the iceberg for me is when the author writes, Dulli "has the best line of the album in "Oh ... heaven, it's quite a climb..." haha yea that was funny; those dumbasses only listen to the album once most likely and really don't know much about the singer's background unless they're big fans themselves. Precisely why I never put any stock into journalist music reviews. |
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 1, 2008 21:52:52 GMT -5
The tip of the iceberg for me is when the author writes, Dulli "has the best line of the album in "Oh ... heaven, it's quite a climb..." Well, the reviewer also attributes the hoary old cliche "Misery loves company" to James Hetfield in the first line of the review, which isn't exactly a very promising beginning... |
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 1, 2008 22:13:19 GMT -5
God, that entire review is pure comedy. I think the reviewer may be 15. And if I were Mark or Greg, I'd probably be getting a complex by now after reading my voice and my music being described as "scary," "sleazy," "dirty," etc., in review after review. Hell, I'm even starting to get one myself: "Am I a really screwed up person for liking this music so much?" Since coming up with original ways to talk about the Gutter Twins seems so difficult, perhaps we need to come up with a Gutter Twins Review Mad Libs for journalists to use in the future, or maybe just a review generator: "Sleazy grunge dirtbags Greg Dulli and Mark Lanegan have released a scary-sexy album of goth-grunge-soul-blues that is perfect music for morbidly depressed creeps to kill themselves to..." |
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Post by coffeeblues on Mar 2, 2008 9:38:20 GMT -5
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Post by LostCause on Mar 2, 2008 10:20:07 GMT -5
Don't they kind of perpetrate that by calling themselves the Gutter Twins?
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 2, 2008 11:05:03 GMT -5
Don't they kind of perpetrate that by calling themselves the Gutter Twins? Perhaps. But just because you've been, or are currently, "in the gutter" in one way or another, does that mean that's all of who you are? Seems to me one of the key aspects of this album from what I've heard so far, and a key aspect of both of the guys' previous work, is the hunger, and longing for uplift from that gutter. The part of the self that recognizes there is more to life than sensual excess has a central role in their work. These two perhaps may be well-versed in excess, but I think it is obvious that they're also searching for wisdom. I think that reviewers who miss that really are not paying attention and/or are lacking in subtlety. I find what Mark and Greg write/sing about to be pretty universal; we all struggle with our "gutter" side, however that may manifest for any one of us, and how to reconcile that with the part of us that looks toward the stars. For me, and it seems for others as well, what is evoked most immediately by the name "The Gutter Twins" is the Wilde quote. This reviewer is one who seems to get that: |
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Post by on Mar 2, 2008 11:07:43 GMT -5
I'm sure some of you read about Maxim's review of the "Black Crowes" and "Nas" albums that has been in the press lately. Maxim gave both of those albums a review without even listenning to the albums because, for starters they haven't been released and Nas's album hasn't been finished. They ave the albums a rating based on an educated guess. LOL Not like Maxim is a credible magazine or anythig but, I'm sure they pay someone to write for them.
Anyway, It's no surprise that this journo can't make the difference between Mark and Greg, I've seen the samething done before with different artists. You would think they would read the liner notes which I'm sure is given along with a copy of the cd.
AS FOR SATURNALIA: I've listened a few times to it on myspace and I can't wait to get this album because, I love it. I was almost scared about Greg's contribution but, this is a great album. It supports the hype and long wait.
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 2, 2008 11:41:09 GMT -5
I apologize in advance for dragging the discourse down to the Beavis and Butt-head level for a moment, but I cannot help myself: ;D  |
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Post by alyosha on Mar 2, 2008 15:38:25 GMT -5
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