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Post by Strange Feelin' on Oct 27, 2004 17:49:21 GMT -5
...check this out. www.wetterlinggallery.com/archive/nathalia/nathalia_main.htmfrom wetterling gallery newsletter: " Is it permissible to kill animals in the name of art? Most people who see Nathalia's pictures for the first time are impressed by how beautiful they are. It takes a few seconds before you start to wonder how they have been made. A photo-montage? Some kind of digital manipulation? When you look closer, there is something slightly distorted in the rabbit's expression. Something slightly abnormal about the face of the cat. Slowly you realise that the animal is dead, that the animal has died for the sake of the picture. Is this acceptable? One can, of course, choose to think that it is always wrong to kill animals in the name of art. That nothing can defend Nathalia Edenmont. But if you feel more doubtful, we would very much like to explain Nathalia's reasoning, and how we at Wetterling Gallery argue when we exhibit her art. Art arouses thoughts and poses questions that are necessary. Nathalia's beautiful pictures are frightening in the same way that many other beautiful things hide some sort of suffering. One can enjoy beautiful exteriors, or one can go beneath the surface and find things that perhaps you do not want to know about. If Nathalia's pictures had been repugnant, it would have been easy to reject them. But now they are so beautiful - and the insight into the reality behind them gives rise to thoughts about people's shallowness and double standards. Many of us eat meat, wear leather or use make-up that has been tested on animals, without this arousing especially strong reactions. But when a picture shows a dead rabbit, all hell breaks loose. Nathalia grew up in the former Soviet Union, and she has a razor sharp eye for paradoxes and gaps in our western morals. She is not the first to use dead animals in her works of art - that has been done at least since the 1700s, but she is a contemporary debater who provokes questions which nowadays everyone should ask themselves. Her pictures tell lies in front of our faces, but they are not alone in this - the lies exist all around us every day, without us questioning them. There is nothing illegal in Nathalia's art. She has killed the animals in as humane a way as possible. Has she been guilty of a moral crime? We do not think so. We think that art is of vital importance. What do you think? "
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Post by cheekym on Oct 27, 2004 18:55:48 GMT -5
Fuck.. i was up in arms when i read that thing.. went to the link & was seriously impressed with the work. Yes- it is 'conceptual' art/ photography. Is it ok to use dead animals?- yes- ONES THAT ARE ALREADY DEAD PLEASE! I have no doubt how 'clever' she's been, the images are very strong- beautifully shot & thought provoking re 'paradox's' & morals whith which we view animals, BUT - its no excuse to kill them just for the art- kind of defeats the whole pupose os what shes trying to say- IMHO anyways. errrr sort of ironic me thinks
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Post by LDG on Oct 27, 2004 18:58:06 GMT -5
The mice hand puppets are creepy.
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Post by cheekym on Oct 27, 2004 19:01:57 GMT -5
but then again.. maybe thats her POINT- the irony of it all. Just dont like it. Could she not have scoured the vets & chosen animals that HAD to be put down or something? i dunno..... once again these arty types wash their hands/ excuse themselves by saying "we dont have all the answers.. we just hope to raise more questions than we can answer' crap.
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Post by cheekym on Oct 27, 2004 19:04:21 GMT -5
The mice hand puppets are creepy. tell me about it! But they are sooo beautifully shot, really i am impressed. But she has totally succeded in taking the viewer out of their 'comfort zone' thats for sure, but melding beauty & death etc etc It has of course been done before- Andres Serrano i think? he used dead bodies from the morgue (see- ALREADY DEAD) & photographed them... he has issues with the catholic churh, so sex death etc are always top subjects for him.
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Post by barriers on Oct 27, 2004 19:09:57 GMT -5
The mice hand puppets are creepy. very creepy
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Post by cheekym on Oct 27, 2004 19:13:18 GMT -5
n this ones called 'Pissed Christ' by same guy.. thats really his urine like i said he has issues with the church. oh & that dead shot is called 'Bottler Murder' . ok i will stop- im sorry if ireally fucked anones head up with that shot.. im regretting it somewhat now- sorry
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Post by cheekym on Oct 27, 2004 19:17:29 GMT -5
ok- i am feeling a little nauseus. I am so sorry everyone for that gross pic.. i just shouldnt have. :
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Post by Strange Feelin' on Oct 27, 2004 20:17:40 GMT -5
ok- i am feeling a little nauseus. I am so sorry everyone for that gross pic.. i just shouldnt have. : you know you can delete it...top right of your post it says "delete" click on it then press "yes" at the question that will pop up. edit: also, the link that gives you access to some of her art was taken from the museum's archives so i guess the exhibition is over by now. but there's this online petition to stop and prevent people to kill animals for art. click here: www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/853089392
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Post by Dope on Oct 27, 2004 21:24:52 GMT -5
n this ones called 'Pissed Christ' by same guy.. thats really his urine like i said he has issues with the church. I wonder if he stole that title from Fear Factory? Only theirs is simply "Pisschrist".
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Post by LDG on Oct 28, 2004 0:07:44 GMT -5
ok- i am feeling a little nauseus. I am so sorry everyone for that gross pic.. i just shouldnt have. : After seeing someone decapitated, it takes a lot to gross me out. Don't worry about it.
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Post by cheekym on Oct 28, 2004 2:11:42 GMT -5
I wonder if he stole that title from Fear Factory? Only theirs is simply "Pisschrist". actually- now you mention- thats the actual title! sorry i made a mistake. I would imagine FF got the title from his work... it been around a long time.
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Post by cheekym on Oct 28, 2004 2:18:56 GMT -5
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Post by LDG on Oct 28, 2004 6:13:19 GMT -5
are you serious.. or am i just v gullible.. ;D Very serious. I was curious so I watched the decapitation of Nick Berg that took place over in Iraq, I wish I hadn't.
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Post by cheekym on Oct 28, 2004 6:19:34 GMT -5
Very serious. I was curious so I watched the decapitation of Nick Berg that took place over in Iraq, I wish I hadn't. No shit i can only imagine
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Post by Daveym on Oct 28, 2004 6:25:29 GMT -5
Can understand why you did. I had a chance to but chose not. Your imagination runs riot thinking about it. At least if you watch something like that the you know exactly what happened, must have screwed you up for a while though. Ken Bigley was from my home town so the reality of it hit home even more. Makes me feel sick. Anyway gonna look at these dead animals now. WHAT A VERY WEIRD WORLD.
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Post by Daveym on Oct 28, 2004 6:30:47 GMT -5
eeerm. Think I am going to have to lye down. Have a rodent phobia. Jesus.
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Post by cheekym on Oct 28, 2004 6:49:54 GMT -5
This guy didnt kill his subjects, they were found dead then he choreographs really surreal photos and and you may recognise this from a Yo La Tengo album cover critcs rip him for getting a bit 'speilberg-ian'..
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Post by marlboroman on Oct 28, 2004 7:33:12 GMT -5
Can understand why you did. I had a chance to but chose not. Your imagination runs riot thinking about it. At least if you watch something like that the you know exactly what happened, must have screwed you up for a while though. Ken Bigley was from my home town so the reality of it hit home even more. Makes me feel sick. Anyway gonna look at these dead animals now. WHAT A VERY WEIRD WORLD. i have this fear of taking a bad trip and seeing heads rolling about or arms running after me on fingertips.
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Post by cheekym on Oct 28, 2004 7:36:39 GMT -5
i have this fear of taking a bad trip and seeing heads rolling about or arms running after me on fingertips. That would be something you might never recover from..
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Post by Strange Feelin' on Oct 28, 2004 10:54:03 GMT -5
This guy didnt kill his subjects, they were found dead then he choreographs really surreal photos critcs rip him for getting a bit 'speilberg-ian'.. i find that pic kinda cute. it's like the fox is some greek God and his eating grapes and his belly is full of them. awwww
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Post by melaniewhorehouse on Oct 28, 2004 12:51:57 GMT -5
I don't. But I do think that art is far more important than the artists themselves.
Art is a nice thing to have around the place, and it's something to talk about in teh pub when talk of other intellectual subjects (football, boobs, fart gags, more boobs) has dried up. But important? I tend to find that the only people who find conceptual art to be of any importance whatsoever are conceptual artists, and if the rest of us don't like it, well, that's because we don't "get" it. Art is in serious danger of becoming so distant from its probably sole point (to evoke and inspire) that it's almost a crime to go to a gallery and say nothing other than "Oooh what a nice drawing".
I run the severe risk of being called some sort of Philistine (which I'm not. In fact, I've never even been there), but I cannot see the point in killing anything for the sake of one's own fame. Did the artist really need to say that she killed the animals herself, or was that just to get people to notice her? If her work was aesthetically evocative enough for people to want to go and see, then it would sell itself rather than the self-advertising methods of its creator.
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Post by cheekym on Oct 28, 2004 19:08:32 GMT -5
I don't. But I do think that art is far more important than the artists themselves. EXACTLY! nail on head! A world without art would be...errm.. crap. But all this postmodern 'celebrity artist' thing- (Tracey Emin, Gillian Wearing, etc- too many to mentionn), classic example of the artist themselves being of more importance than the art. There REALLY does exixt 'conceptual' art that is made with sincerity & is there not to 'decorate' or merely just to look beautiful in some 'pictorialist/ traditional way', but to instead challenge & be really thought provoking. Just happens to be alot of hype too... im skeptical of those that court hype.
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Post by cheekym on Oct 28, 2004 19:12:32 GMT -5
[quote author=Strange Feelin' l i find that pic kinda cute. it's like the foax is some greek God and his eating grapes and his belly is full of them. awwww[/quote] Actually the colours n everything dont do any justice to the real picture. Its MUCH more rich in print. He makes/ sculpts human parts that look dead in his pics, like a little movie set i guess.
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Post by cheekym on Oct 28, 2004 22:50:20 GMT -5
ahhhh... ;D
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