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Post by gr0undzer0 on Feb 27, 2008 13:57:52 GMT -5
has anybody heard this? Is it any good? I have not liked anything that mumbling, muttering Eddie Vedder has done in 15 years, but Hard Sun is a good song (albeit heavily overplayed on Indie radio) .....anybody own this?
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Post by on Feb 27, 2008 14:37:29 GMT -5
has anybody heard this? Is it any good? I have not liked anything that mumbling, muttering Eddie Vedder has done in 15 years, but Hard Sun is a good song (albeit heavily overplayed on Indie radio) .....anybody own this? ive only heard that one song, and just wanted to share this observation... when he sings the first line ('When I walk beside her'), he sounds scarily like Peter Gabriel. do you hear it? am i going mad? really English. i havent really cared about Pearl Jam in many years. Vitalogy is still one of my favourite albums from my teenage years, but without the youth and rage (his and mine), Ed bores me.. |
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Post by manintheshadows on Feb 27, 2008 14:43:46 GMT -5
He was good (and angry) on Bad Religion's Recipe For Hate album, but I've not really listened to anything he's done since Mirrorball/Merkinball. Might give this one a go if enough people tell me to do so... EDIT: Here he is, during the overlong and rather dull Struck a Nerve. For those who don't want to sit through the unbelievably literal video (that evokes memories of Pan's People), he pipes in around the 2.44 mark. |
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Post by on Feb 27, 2008 15:02:55 GMT -5
i own it. it's decent enough. i liked the album better after watching the film. the songs fit real well with the story. i don't care for Hard Sun all that much (it's a cover btw). No Ceiling, Long Nights and Guaranteed are gems though.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Feb 27, 2008 15:15:13 GMT -5
yeah that song fits the book really well also, still have not seen the movie yet
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Post by breakerfall on Feb 28, 2008 9:14:37 GMT -5
Book, Movie and Soundtrack are all awesome, Vedders' cover of Society is quite simply breathtaking
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Post by on Feb 28, 2008 10:07:04 GMT -5
Book, Movie and Soundtrack are all awesome, Vedders' cover of Society is quite simply breathtaking love the vocals, but the lyrics are horrendous imo. |
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Post by on Feb 28, 2008 10:25:05 GMT -5
Book, Movie and Soundtrack are all awesome, Vedders' cover of Society is quite simply breathtaking love the vocals, but the lyrics are horrendous imo. .. i AGREEEEEEEEE. but hey, that's just MEEEEEE. do you SEEEEEE what ive done..? |
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Post by breakerfall on Feb 28, 2008 12:08:15 GMT -5
GEEEEEEENIUS that doesn't work really does it? I've embarassed myself!!!
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Post by on Feb 28, 2008 13:31:57 GMT -5
haha. works for MEEEEEEEEEE.
ive recycled the same one again there, havent i?
if only Charles Webster Baer was here to say..
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Post by Stephanie on Feb 28, 2008 18:39:41 GMT -5
Haven't read the book (though I probably should), but saw the movie and enjoyed it. I've felt similar urges and gone on similar solo adventures as the protagonist (though they've been far less reckless), and the movie hit very close to home. The emotional heft of learning hard lessons through youthful trials but then not being able to grow from those lessons because of fate and bad decisions was powerful. A true tragedy on many levels, as all great tragedies have something to do with lacking an important piece of knowledge until it is too late. If only the guy had known or done any number of things just slightly different, it would have turned out very differently for him, and he might have told the stories of his adventures to his grandkids.
Yet I had a problem with the movie, which was this idealization and glorification of the lead character. The movie didn't seem to take the same view of itself or its protagonist as I did, and the message it seemed to be trying to get across was that what destroyed the "pure" hero was a careless and screwed up society, not his own youthful mistakes. And what I noticed of the soundtrack while watching the movie seemed to cater to that. As lovely as Vedder's voice sounds on it, I couldn't stomach listening to that crap; to me, it's patently false and lacking in wisdom. Christopher McCandless wasn't a bad guy who "deserved what he got," but nor was he a blameless saint who was "too pure for this world." He was just a kid who went out on a search for himself, and a search for truth, and who through several twists of fate ended up paying a steeper price for his youthful mistakes than most others do. I think that the movie would have been much better had it had that attitude and tone. It would have conveyed the unparalleled power of the tragic form, instead of coming out as a muddled attempt to canonize its title character.
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Post by manintheshadows on Feb 28, 2008 18:43:51 GMT -5
haha. works for MEEEEEEEEEE. ive recycled the same one again there, havent i? if only Charles Webster Baer was here to say.. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Oh bugger. If he turns up now, like some internet Candyman, it's your fault. |
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Feb 28, 2008 22:34:03 GMT -5
careless and wreckless sums up McCandless perfectly, who has not thought about just dropping out of society? I would be a liar if I did not think about it at least once per day, but he had no respect for the wild and payed the ultimate price for it........but still a fascinating book, will check the movie when it comes out on dvd.
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Post by kyselina on Feb 28, 2008 23:05:36 GMT -5
I read the book a few years ago, and thought they did a really good job with the movie, although I agree with Stephanie that they shouldn't have glorified him the way they did.
My husband hadn't read the book, but liked the movie. But in the days after he saw it, McCandless's decisions started annoying him more and more. "Why didn't he do X?", etc. I think it didn't bug me as much, because I'd already gone through that thought process with the book.
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Post by Stephanie on Feb 28, 2008 23:19:01 GMT -5
careless and wreckless sums up McCandless perfectly, who has not thought about just dropping out of society? I would be a liar if I did not think about it at least once per day, but he had no respect for the wild and payed the ultimate price for it........but still a fascinating book, will check the movie when it comes out on dvd. Well said. I wonder though if it was so much that he lacked respect for the wild or if it was more a matter of that lack of solid reality testing people tend to have when they are young, that notion they carry around that they are invincible and that the whole world has been designed to meet their needs. It wasn't that McCandless knew what nature was but didn't care; it was that he didn't know what it was. In his mind, "the wild" was this idealized Eden outside of society. To his credit, he had to have picked up some survival skills to survive as long as he did. It's just that he didn't "get it" until it was too late. That's the thing I like about great tragic drama as well as nature documentaries, the atmosphere of stark unsentimental reality that pervades them. That's why I chafed at the narration on March of the Penguins--penguins don't do what they do for "love" or "family," they do it because they're penguins and that's what penguins do. The wild doesn't kill you because you deserve it or because it's punishing you; it kills you because it's more powerful than you and because it can. And it will be blatantly unsentimental in doing so. And that's why it's so exhilarating to go out into the wild--the feeling of raw natural power, of the sublime, of your own smallness, it humbles you, awes you into silence, knocks your ego down several pegs. It's a vital experience to have, and I think McCandless had many good reasons to seek it out. He just unfortunately didn't survive the mistakes one makes when they're young and dumb. I love reading people lay into the guy like he was particularly stupid or disrespectful, which I think is hogwash. I think we all just forget how stupid we were/are at that time in our lives. It's pretty universal. |
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Post by mockingbird on Feb 28, 2008 23:54:09 GMT -5
haha. works for MEEEEEEEEEE. ive recycled the same one again there, havent i? if only Charles Webster Baer was here to say.. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Oh bugger. If he turns up now, like some internet Candyman, it's your fault. No doubt! He a motherfucker... Careful..., Mokkly. |
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Post by manintheshadows on Feb 29, 2008 15:01:25 GMT -5
I now have the CD. Nice booky-thing packaging, although i hate the actual CD housing, which forces one to get the shiny side of the disc all fingerprinty in an effort to get the boody thing out. Only up to Rise so far, and it's really good (especially the track I'm listening to). Bit shitey that iTunes buyers get 4 extra tracks though  |
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Post by on Feb 29, 2008 15:58:07 GMT -5
Only up to Rise so far, and it's really good (especially the track I'm listening to). Bit shitey that iTunes buyers get 4 extra tracks though to comfort you, the extras are pretty crappy. 2 versions (one studio, one live) of a song called No War which is cliche ridden to the point that you can't help but laugh. a demo instrumental that goes nowhere and a decent enough interpretation of Phill Och's of Here's To The State Of Mississippi where the characters in the song are replaced with current members of the Bush administration. |
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Post by manintheshadows on Mar 1, 2008 14:06:42 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like I'm missing out on much, then.
After listening to it all the way through now (several times), I love it - so thanks to peeps here for bringing something to my attention that I wouldn't normally have bothered with. Rise is still the standout track for me (reminds me just a tiny bit of Damon Albarn & Michael Nyman's excellent soundtrack for Ravenous). Hard Sun is great as well, but could have done with ending a lot longer than it actually does...
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Post by on Mar 1, 2008 15:03:08 GMT -5
I still haven't seen the movie, i will though when it's out on dvd. Hard Sun is one of those songs that's been playing on the radio for years over here. It was originally done by this guy who called himself Indio. www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bKaR0CzEPE |
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Mar 12, 2008 6:57:43 GMT -5
ok I watched the movie last night and decided I dont want the soundtrack after all  |
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Post by dimples... on Mar 30, 2008 1:08:26 GMT -5
I just watched it yesterday... honestly didn't notice much of the soundtrack over the half naked man showering in the woods...  |
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Mar 30, 2008 11:15:40 GMT -5
I would swear I saw Dimples, Dc and Dope in the Vince Vaughn South dakota scenes, you guys and gals were extras and did not tell us? |
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Post by breakerfall on Mar 30, 2008 15:31:44 GMT -5
ok I watched the movie last night and decided I dont want the soundtrack after all Awwwww Its awesome tho |
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Post by diecheerleader on Mar 30, 2008 20:55:56 GMT -5
I would swear I saw Dimples, Dc and Dope in the Vince Vaughn South dakota scenes, you guys and gals were extras and did not tell us? was it a nude scene? cause Dope is very...ummmm.....proud of his genitals. |
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