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Post by gr0undzer0 on Jan 11, 2009 9:20:30 GMT -5
Fields at Midnight and I were talking about this a bit over fine Burgerville tillam00k cheese burgers not long ago.
Kids today (yes that makes me sound old) have 1 or 2 songs from bands today on their IPOD, they wear their t-shirts and say they are fans and have heard almost nothing of the band other then their singles.......that fucking sucks in my book.
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Post by dimples... on Jan 11, 2009 10:30:59 GMT -5
I dunno...most of mine ipod is the full albums with art work...cause it makes the screen look better... T-shirts...um...as long as my tits look good in it... Mmm...burgers...  |
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Jan 11, 2009 10:32:21 GMT -5
I dunno...most of mine ipod is the full albums with art work...cause it makes the screen look better... T-shirts...um...as long as my tits look good in it... Mmm...burgers... well you are not 16 either ;D |
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Post by dimples... on Jan 11, 2009 10:33:50 GMT -5
Fuck n0!!! I'm a 31 year old n00b for life!!! ;D
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Jan 11, 2009 10:34:41 GMT -5
Fuck n0!!! I'm a 31 year old n00b for life!!! ;D  |
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Post by manintheshadows on Jan 11, 2009 10:49:28 GMT -5
Yup.
There are still more than a few bands prepared to put together an actual album of songs where thought is put into an overall mood, theme and structure from start to finish regardless of how long it took to make (to use a recent example pertinent to this board, Saturnalia), but this is a minority now.
The blame for this can lie not just with the laziness of the consumer nowadays, but also with the absolute crapness of singles for at least the last decade and a half. Time was that even a 7" single came with something that wasn't on the album, and 12"s were almost always a treasure trove of new and exciting stuff (so hats off to Jerusalem for resurrecting that particular thingy), and then when CDs came about, people were expected to pay half the price of the full album for what was usually less than a quarter of the album it came from, with nothing extra. So the download single was at least a cheap compromise to this, where someone could pay very little and get (essentially) very little in return.
It's gone a bit too far in the other direction though, although this will change again in time given that the market for this will become oversaturated very quickly thanks to iTunes' almost total monopoly and their pitifully restrictive market - for example (again, relevant to this board) when the Gutter Twins toured in support of the Adorata release, they played at least one country where the EP couldn't be obtained legally (certainly not available to be paid for) until Sub Pop eventually stepped in and added an mp3 download of their own.
Bottom line is that if a band or artist wants to sell to as wide an audience as possible (and have that audience grow), then a full physical release is the way to go. If they just want to make a quick few quid from little work and not be that bothered about illegal distribution out of necessity for some of their fans (or just alienating them completely), then that's what the internet's for. They'll be a happy medium eventually, though by then nobody'll give much of a toss anyway.
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Post by katey on Jan 11, 2009 11:09:26 GMT -5
Long live the single!
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Post by The Eyeball Kid on Jan 11, 2009 11:35:34 GMT -5
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Post by katey on Jan 11, 2009 11:37:53 GMT -5
There will always (or at least for a good while yet) be bands that admire the 'album rock' of the past and think and make music in the album format.
Who cares if the 15 year olds listen to it or not? I think it will still be available to us.
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Post by Shoesh on Jan 11, 2009 11:42:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure about that.
They plan on making concert tickets available through the internet only in Holland.
Which fucking sucks! Part of the fun is waking up early on a saturday morning, preferably hung-over, and racing to the post office to stand in line with a bunch of nervous people to get a ticket. Who's wants to do a happy dance just for getting a confirmation email?!
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Post by mokkly2 on Jan 11, 2009 11:43:04 GMT -5
Fields at Midnight and I were talking about this a bit over fine Burgerville tillam00k cheese burgers not long ago. Kids today (yes that makes me sound old) have 1 or 2 songs from bands today on their IPOD, they wear their t-shirts and say they are fans and have heard almost nothing of the band other then their singles.......that fucking sucks in my book. yep, ive mentioned this same thing several times in various threads. the music climate is very different. the amount of kids i know who simply bluetooth mp3s from phone to phone is another factor.. and believe me, unless kids are big music fans, that is what they do. download a single or 2, put it on your phone or mp3 player - or just copy them off your mate. no knowledge/interest in the bands or artists.. just a simple 'yeah, love that tune'. and the thing is, i see so many kids (16-19ish) at the college where i work, and they cant even listen to a whole song. they move onto another song halfway through. of course albums are still being made, but the percentage of people who are receptive to them is miles off what it was 10yrs ago.. c'est la vie. - the times they are a changin'. - look out you rock n rollers... pretty soon you're gonna get a little older. etc. |
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Post by Shoesh on Jan 11, 2009 11:52:34 GMT -5
They're a bit behind here where I live. We're still at the phase where the few girls that say they love music, are the girls who listen to what their boyfriends listen to.
And as Mokkly says, that's just the singles and songs they play in bars. And what's played in bars is dictated by what the local bands cover in their reportoire.
People get into bands that perform at festivals, and lose interest in those bands by next years festival season. So that's a pretty limited knowledge of music.
If people show off too much about how rock they are, I can always get them to shut up by asking them if they've ever heard of NIN and/or Ministry. That ends the discussion.
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Post by Fields at Midnight on Jan 11, 2009 11:54:58 GMT -5
Who cares if the 15 year olds listen to it or not? I think it will still be available to us. Yes, but 15 year olds are the main market and nowadays and record companies only like to gamble on "sure things" and it is what the 15 year olds listen to. Sure, it is still available, but rather difficult to find. |
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Post by albinorage on Jan 11, 2009 14:12:48 GMT -5
and the thing is, i see so many kids (16-19ish) at the college where i work, and they cant even listen to a whole song. they move onto another song halfway through. My friend fast forwards to his favourite bit of the song and when that is over they change over. It kind of annoys me and when I ask him about it he always says, "What's the point in me wasting my time listening to something I don't like?"Surely his favourite part can't be that different from the rest of the song. I've always thought the point in music was listening to the song and taking it as a whole, not just listening to 10-30 seconds of your favourite part, then it might as well be a ringtone or a jingle. |
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Post by maidli2 on Jan 11, 2009 15:26:42 GMT -5
No ! it's not a question of age or something, just a question of interest... you like music, so you're interested in, or you do like the others do just to look and be in the mood ... and then actually become an old man at 25. Sorry, it's just touchy. Otherwise, yes it's dead. But i'm old. But as i was looking at Phenomene few hours ago on TV, I think i'm going to become a NKOTB fan.... The difficulty is how to get a Tshirt |
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Post by manintheshadows on Jan 11, 2009 15:28:03 GMT -5
and then actually become an old man at 25.  |
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Post by maidli2 on Jan 11, 2009 15:29:37 GMT -5
and then actually become an old man at 25. If you're a cheater in music, baby   |
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Post by maidli2 on Jan 11, 2009 15:51:34 GMT -5
Yes, but 15 year olds are the main market and nowadays and record companies only like to gamble on . I agree, it is unfortunately the truth . Touchy thread, i repeat. |
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Post by Stephanie on Jan 11, 2009 17:19:54 GMT -5
Quick-fix culture cultivates a short attention span. When I'm with my best friend in her car, she'll surf from one song to the next after only hearing 30-60 seconds of it.
I much prefer the whole album format. At 25, I'm such a dinosaur I don't even download albums, I still go out and buy the CD. Though I suspect that's going to have to change sooner or later. I'd save money and my music would be a lot more portable if I invested in an iPod where so much of the process of transferring music from CD to computer to iPod is automatic.
I'm suspicious though of claims that anything is "dead." Look how popular it's been to say that rock is dead, or this or that is dead. Musical trends change, but the bottom line is that music that affects people, even if it mutates as new people tweak with the genre, sticks around. I doubt that "album as whole" will fade out of the musical lexicon. I think that the phenomenon of casual music listeners focusing on singles rather than albums is hardly new. Symphonies didn't appear as we know them until the 18th century or so. Popular music and song has for a longer time been focused on short pieces and songs.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Jan 11, 2009 20:30:02 GMT -5
yes it seems the younger generation live in an instant information age, everything is at their finger tips and songs that take time to build get glossed over because the good part is at the 3:34 mark, so why listen to the rest? Songs that used to be paramount to making the album work get skipped because they are not catchy, listen to "is there anybody out there" that song makes the second side of the Wall work to my ears, but what motivation is there for bands to make AOR rock when all you are being judged on is that bit in the middle of song 5?
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Jan 11, 2009 20:36:27 GMT -5
It almost makes sense for bands to just BLOWUP the concept of releasing an album of songs all at one time and just release new music as it gets created, you finish a song, post it and see how it sells while you work on the next song, that way people are getting new music over the course of a year instead of one album released in march that is forgotten by july.
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Post by Montage on Jan 12, 2009 0:26:18 GMT -5
I still like albums. Many songs aren't worth hearing out of the context of the album no matter how good they may be. I still buy CDs, I still buy vinyl. I still listen to them on my stereo and in my car. It's generally the best way to experience music.
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Post by diecheerleader on Jan 12, 2009 6:33:44 GMT -5
my pet rock is dead.
oh and De La Soul is dead.
and Miles Iz Ded....or something.
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