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Post by taxidermy on Mar 28, 2010 14:03:44 GMT -5
I just discovered something quite strange-
there's an old israeli song, from the 1950s or earlier (I'm still looking for the exact date), called 'tiyul leyli' or 'night trip', that has the EXACT same melody as mark's 'don't forget me'.
the best version I found of the song is here-
it's from some israeli tv show, sorry for not posting anything better, but you can clearly hear how similar it is.
I wonder how many songs out there have this melody.
what do you guys make of this?
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Post by marc on Mar 28, 2010 14:07:50 GMT -5
thank you SO much for finding this!
someone posted another version of it on here (or the old forum) many years ago and I've been looking for it ever since...
would be very interested in anything you find out about this.
there's no chance of it being a coincidental similarity, because each section is the same as Don't Forget Me and the melody is too long. It's not like a one part is similar.. it's the whole tune, chord sequence, melody, tempo, everything..
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Post by taxidermy on Mar 28, 2010 14:11:32 GMT -5
if you want to download it somewhere, look for טיול לילי
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Post by borracha on Mar 28, 2010 16:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Mar 29, 2010 1:16:08 GMT -5
there's no chance of it being a coincidental similarity sure there is. |
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Post by taxidermy on Mar 29, 2010 3:08:43 GMT -5
it's about two lovers having a night walk, and whispering a love song to one another. I put a better (and older) version here- www.easy-share.com/1909679080/05-הדודאים - טיול לילי.mp3 hope it works a lot of old israeli songs have eastern europian origins, since a lot of eastern europian jews came to israel during the first half of the 20th century. the reason to that is well, kind of obvious. they just put new hebrew lyrics to the folk songs they knew. my guess is that mark heard some version of this tune, not necessarily the one I posted here, and based his song on it. who knows how many versions of it are out there. |
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Post by marc on Mar 29, 2010 5:02:18 GMT -5
there's no chance of it being a coincidental similarity sure there is. OK, no REALISTIC chance. Just because you hate me, doesn't mean you have to try to put an annoying comment after everything I say. i can't even be bothered to get into the chord sequence, melody and structure arguments. It's obviously the same song, and you're just being facetious, right? my feeling is that Lanegan and co found a traditional tune and used it as the basis. The end. Interestingly, it even seems there is even a reference to the Israeli song (from what taxidermy says) in the Lanegan lyric. Don't Forget Me has the line "don't go walking after dark", while the original version is called Night Trip and mentions two lovers walking together at night, ie, "after dark". It seems like ML is acknowledging the other song and using its lyrics as a memory for this (now) lost love, and saying that now they're apart, she shouldn't go walking at night as it isn't safe. It's like a sequel to the other song. ive always thought it was one of Mark's best, actually. to me, it sounds really sinister but the lyrics are actually quite protective if you take them at face value... and i dont mean the Phil Collins abomination, Face Value. |
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Post by BellBlackOcean on Mar 29, 2010 5:34:44 GMT -5
someone remember a song called Gospel Plow??? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_Plowit's a traditional but on Dust it's credited to Screaming Trees; in my opinion it's just a royalties matter. there're many other similar cases, just think about a band called Led Zeppelin |
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Post by taxidermy on Mar 29, 2010 5:44:54 GMT -5
Interestingly, it even seems there is even a reference to the Israeli song (from what taxidermy says) in the Lanegan lyric. Don't Forget Me has the line "don't go walking after dark", while the original version is called Night Trip and mentions two lovers walking together at night, ie, "after dark". It seems like ML is acknowledging the other song and using its lyrics as a memory for this (now) lost love, and saying that now they're apart, she shouldn't go walking at night as it isn't safe. It's like a sequel to the other song. that's brilliant. |
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Mar 29, 2010 13:17:56 GMT -5
haha i don't hate you man. don't flatter yourself  there's a lot of songs that sound almost nearly identical to other songs. shit, some artists even use the same arrangement twice but sugarcoat it differently. I agree that it's very similar though, and if the lyrics are too it could be a tribute of some sort. we'll probably never know. |
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Post by layne on Mar 29, 2010 16:41:32 GMT -5
it only sounds slightly similar to me. if there is a version that resembles don't forget me more I'd love to hear it. The chorus sounds like "one way street" i think though. (the ooooooohhhhhhh part)
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Post by nnf on Mar 29, 2010 17:26:25 GMT -5
Yeah, it actually reminds me more of 'One Way Street' than anything else.
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Post by marc on Mar 30, 2010 6:53:43 GMT -5
it only sounds slightly similar to me. if there is a version that resembles don't forget me more I'd love to hear it. The chorus sounds like "one way street" i think though. (the ooooooohhhhhhh part) are you being serious? |
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Post by layne on Mar 30, 2010 14:43:05 GMT -5
ya...i think around the 47 second mark.
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Post by LostCause on Apr 1, 2010 12:03:31 GMT -5
I posted this years ago on the old MLB forum. I had read a BLOG with it on there and it got pretty much ignored, cast aside, spat upon because it was not wise to mention such things. Greg Dulli reworks/rearranges/barrows old classics in a different fashion at times even mentions it. There are great songs that are rehashings of older classics. Yesterday Paul admits is a take on an old jazz song that he remembered in a dream but could never identify. If I remember correctly the chords are the same and really only vocally Mark takes it in a completely different direction. I cannot watch the youtube clip at work but I'l dl the song if I can. It was pretty unmistakeably the same general song on the version that I heard.
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Post by c00kie on Apr 1, 2010 15:19:48 GMT -5
....er.....i know this girl...er.....well.....never mind .....
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Post by taxidermy on Apr 1, 2010 17:18:33 GMT -5
I posted this years ago on the old MLB forum. I had read a BLOG with it on there and it got pretty much ignored, cast aside, spat upon because it was not wise to mention such things. Greg Dulli reworks/rearranges/barrows old classics in a different fashion at times even mentions it. There are great songs that are rehashings of older classics. Yesterday Paul admits is a take on an old jazz song that he remembered in a dream but could never identify. If I remember correctly the chords are the same and really only vocally Mark takes it in a completely different direction. I cannot watch the youtube clip at work but I'l dl the song if I can. It was pretty unmistakeably the same general song on the version that I heard. I'm sure you're right, but still it was quite strange for me to hear Mark's take on an israeli classic I would have never expected anyone outside israel to know. is there any way to find that blog again? |
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Post by Reverend Gary Davis III on Apr 3, 2010 19:12:01 GMT -5
Big fat mama with the meat shakin' on her bones
Every time she shimmy
Some man's dollar iz gone!
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Post by Stephanie on Apr 4, 2010 12:40:53 GMT -5
Very interesting indeed! Thanks for sharing this. I would be surprised if Mark had not heard this song before writing "Don't Forget Me."
Being a music fan over the years, it's become apparent to me that part of the creative process is recycling and reconfiguring little bits and pieces picked up somewhere else, whether consciously as allusions or unconsciously. I doubt most musicians are aware when they write a song with a melody that they picked up from another song that they maybe only heard once, years ago on a jukebox in the background of some place.
Memory is deceptive and inaccurate, more a construction than anything else. We often remember bits and pieces of things without remembering where we picked them up. It's not much of a leap for me to imagine that someone could think they were remembering something from a dream, or something they themselves thought of a long time ago, when they're really remembering a melody, phrase, or something else that someone else created.
It's odd to think that most of what we remember of our lives didn't happen as we remember it.
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Post by LostCause on Apr 5, 2010 7:08:31 GMT -5
John Paul and George used to give Ringo the business because he used to "rewrite" old classics and think they were new songs. He would play them and they would be rolling on the floor.
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Post by c00kie on Apr 7, 2010 2:22:27 GMT -5
Yeh a c00L thread````` said it!!!
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Post by Fields at Midnight on Apr 7, 2010 22:51:46 GMT -5
Here's another version without the interruptions. Not as good as the one above, but it is straight through and seems to be by a different artist.
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Post by panouououls on Apr 8, 2010 2:59:24 GMT -5
In music there is no such thing as parthenogenesis(virgin birth).
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Post by taxidermy on Apr 8, 2010 16:28:51 GMT -5
Here's another version without the interruptions. Not as good as the one above, but it is straight through and seems to be by a different artist. god, that is awful. I posted a link to a better version, is it not working? where should I upload it? |
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Post by Fields at Midnight on Apr 9, 2010 9:18:26 GMT -5
It's working. I noted how it was not as good, but it is uninterrupted.
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