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Post by rbrianj on Jun 19, 2005 18:24:09 GMT -5
Anybody here fans of that ST song. I think is one of their best. I'm assuming it was recorded during the Dust sessions since it is a b-side for All I Know. It should have been on the album. Great song.
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Post by LPTrees on Jun 20, 2005 13:59:29 GMT -5
I have yet to hear it. do you think you could post the song? It would really be appreciated!
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Post by Quim-Quizzle on Jun 21, 2005 8:15:19 GMT -5
unbelieveable
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 4:03:04 GMT -5
I have yet to hear it. do you think you could post the song? It would really be appreciated! or - and here's a novel idea if ever ive heard one - you could actually buy it, seeing as it is a commercially available piece of work that i picked up years ago for about £2. i mean, fuck, what an effort and expense that was. i know, i know... it sounds crazy. in turn, this might allow record companies to continue operating, and allow artists that you like to make a bit of money so that they dont end up working in mcdonalds and never making music again, while cursing the bastards who are ripping them off and taking their livelihoods away... in turn, this might encourage record companies to invest the money that they have (from your music purchases) in other artists that are not traditional top10 material... just a thought. |
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Post by FatBuddhaSevilla on Jun 22, 2005 5:47:46 GMT -5
whilst brother mokkly has made a salient and erudite point regarding the music industry, I would like to add that recent moves in the record industry have cause for worry.
For a start the copyright of music in U.K. has been extended from its previous 30 years to 50 years. Therefore this means that the companies in ownership of songs like "stairway to boredom" and "satisfaction", can still reap the financial reward when any of these songs are played anywhere.
The reason they lobbied for this extension was to quote " create the finances necessary for finding new talent and nurturing it , as this can be expensive".
Well, the last time I checked, the way record companies find new "talent", is to get someone who can´t sing, put them through a vocal corrector, record some video in black and white, get it on the radio (after all they control Dj lists), and sit back while another pile of cash comes flooding through the letter box.
Then they drop the "band" and move on.
or, I dunno,
maybe serving these burgers is getting me down....
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Post by Quim-Quizzle on Jun 22, 2005 6:05:57 GMT -5
I have yet to hear it. do you think you could post the song? It would really be appreciated! in turn, this might encourage record companies to invest the money that they have (from your music purchases) in other artists that are not traditional top10 material... just a thought. sham  |
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Post by Valtiel on Jun 22, 2005 10:35:49 GMT -5
I agree with Mokkly wholeheartdly! I also picked this up for a few quid but had t go through ebay as my local music stores don't stock it cos it's deleted now!
Anyway, i want the lyrics to this tune as I don't have a clue what they are....i listen and listen but.......i just can't decipher them!
Can anyone help?
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Post by LPTrees on Jun 22, 2005 11:48:48 GMT -5
I have yet to hear it. do you think you could post the song? It would really be appreciated! or - and here's a novel idea if ever ive heard one - you could actually buy it, seeing as it is a commercially available piece of work that i picked up years ago for about £2. i mean, fuck, what an effort and expense that was. i know, i know... it sounds crazy. in turn, this might allow record companies to continue operating, and allow artists that you like to make a bit of money so that they dont end up working in mcdonalds and never making music again, while cursing the bastards who are ripping them off and taking their livelihoods away... in turn, this might encourage record companies to invest the money that they have (from your music purchases) in other artists that are not traditional top10 material... just a thought. In many cases, its been proven that the illegal downloading of music has very much improved sales of an artist. Especially artists who have been around for a while, but not have received much noteriaty. (Screaming Trees). The first songs Ive heard from the Trees were downloaded ones. I became a fan and bought Uncle Anesthesia, Anthology, Oceans of Confusions, Winter Tour Tracks, posters, and Tshirts. So, I think I am an example of how downloading music has actually helped an artist. without downloading, I would never of known who Screaming Trees were. On what single is Silver Tongue on? |
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Post by marlboroman on Jun 22, 2005 11:52:03 GMT -5
why would an artist want to achieve notoriety? was there a guns n roses undercurrent to the screaming trees work that slipped me by?
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Post by Daveym on Jun 22, 2005 11:54:52 GMT -5
I never used to see the problem but now I am doing it the thought of someone taking that hard earned 20p off me makes my blood boil. The band I am ins e.p (out next month from HMV and other reputable outlets) has already been put on e bay even though it's not out yet and I think the first single is on Napster, but am not sure what they do. This money for new talent thing is a joke. The way record companies plug people is by paying off Radio stations, magazines and basically paying people to give you an airing. They cannot give new bands money because the likelyhood is that they will have to tour like crazy and whore themselves around messageboards to get get noticed and maybe after a couple of albums they may get a listen, but crazy frog will sell millions in two weeks and then disapeer until the next hard working artist tweeting bird brings out his first and only masterpeice. And when the "scene" starts rocking again a bunch of snotty nosed kids who were not born till 1985 who jump up and down with their Rod Stewert barnetts shouting oi oi oi like a demented cross between Elexi Sayle and Hitler who just luuuuurve the eighties and have about as much rock and soul in them as Cliff Richards, stop everything else getting hear'd. Thats why bands who try and do something different have to work to pay their way. But hey our e.p has a bar code so let the good times roll.
Rant over. Love you all, you have marvelous taste in music.
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Post by carlito on Jun 22, 2005 12:44:19 GMT -5
nice points. all of you. i'm sincerely proud to be a part of this fine place.
but it doesn't change the fact that the song is not that good, and is basically riffing off of sympathy for the devil. in fact, think it's the ONLY trees song i don't like.
spend your money on "maybe" and listen to van sing one for the fans..........
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 13:08:10 GMT -5
In many cases, its been proven that the illegal downloading of music has very much improved sales of an artist. Especially artists who have been around for a while, but not have received much noteriaty. (Screaming Trees). The first songs Ive heard from the Trees were downloaded ones. I became a fan and bought Uncle Anesthesia, Anthology, Oceans of Confusions, Winter Tour Tracks, posters, and Tshirts. So, I think I am an example of how downloading music has actually helped an artist. without downloading, I would never of known who Screaming Trees were. On what single is Silver Tongue on? it's on All I Know. 'downloading = theft AND promotion' hmmm... you have an interesting point, but, on the whole, i personally feel that downloading causes more harm than good. i know plenty of people who wouldnt dream of going out and buying records now, who might have in the past, because they know they can download the individual songs they know/like/hear on the radio/mtv, and never have to challenge their ears with anything different... so, in those pre-downloading times, GENUINE music lovers (like yourself, presumably) would probably have heard something about a band (you clearly didnt just download their stuff on a complete whim- there must have been some catalyst, maybe a namecheck from another band) and would have thought to check them out through other means (ie, picking up a sale CD in a record shop on sheer recommendation, or listening to a friend's CD, etc). download culture has created a system where people feel they have to own a product and know everything about it before they even decide that they MIGHT buy it... how can that be positive? please tell me... in the longterm, and taking this to a silly extreme, it even pressures new bands into making all of their songs sound similar (ie, 'what if someone downloads the two weird/atypical songs we've put in the middle of the album and decides they won't buy it?') quite simply, there will always be music lovers who will buy music. they always did, they always have, they always will. but - and this is the important bit, as i see it - it is the POTENTIAL sales, and the 'floating voters' of cyberspace, who are cutting off a huge proportion of those people who MIGHT have wandered into a shop and bought an album on the strength of a song they heard on the radio/mtv/their friend's house/wherever. instead of buying an album, on a whim (as many people often would...), on the strength of a couple of songs or a recommendation from a friend or a respected band, they can simply download it, stick it on their iPod or a mix CD, out of all context, with the song title wrong and the artist's name spelt wrong... ive even seen songs credited to the wrong artists... any further debate on the matter of illegal downloading being the scourge of music...? artistic rape...? and add to all this, as many of us already know from his posts on the official board, that Mr Lanegan definitely isn't a fan of it... please feel free to continue... |
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Post by jonnythc on Jun 22, 2005 13:18:54 GMT -5
i buy my own cds  |
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Post by mongo on Jun 22, 2005 13:20:39 GMT -5
i buy my own cds hahahah blanks dont count  |
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 13:20:41 GMT -5
i buy my own cds i didn't even know you had a cd out. what's it called? (i should clarify that this is a joke, because i know how dim some people around here are) |
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Post by mongo on Jun 22, 2005 13:21:18 GMT -5
also its funny bands have no problem giving their shit away to anyone whom will listen on the way up do they ?
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 13:28:50 GMT -5
also its funny bands have no problem giving their shit away to anyone whom will listen on the way up do they ? but that's because they're doing it as an attempt to make a living later down the line... bands have ALWAYS done that sort of thing. i started doing MY job as a volunteer before i got a contract. same thing. you know what, i think Ryan Adams has got a good approach/attitude to this (regardloess of whether you like his music or not). you can listen to the whole of his new album and pretty much all of his back catalogue on his website, but at a lower quality. that is a way of satisfying the 'try before you buy' people. i guess if you have confidence in what you do, THAT is a good approach. |
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Post by jonnythc on Jun 22, 2005 13:30:17 GMT -5
i buy my own cds i didn't even know you had a cd out. what's it called? (i should clarify that this is a joke, because i know how dim some people around here are) i am as bright as a 40 watt bulb and my cd is called 'Hanky Spanky - 'Pullin on my Wankie' |
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Post by jonnythc on Jun 22, 2005 13:31:18 GMT -5
samples are good...it sucks paying for a cd that sucks
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Post by mongo on Jun 22, 2005 13:32:40 GMT -5
I understand that, and honestly most mp3's are much worse than the "official release" I feel its in an artists best interest to create other reasons to buy the product, i.e. great artwork, lyrics pictures, whatever.....but it does reduce the amount of people who get sucked in due to one single and find out the rest of the album is complete filler. its a double edged sword to put in viking funeral terms
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Post by jonnythc on Jun 22, 2005 13:33:46 GMT -5
just put a naked hottie on the cover...then it'll sell like cameras at a nude beach
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 13:37:51 GMT -5
samples are good...it sucks paying for a cd that sucks well, put it this way... example - if the internet had been what it is today when nirvana did In Utero, it probably wouldnt have sold half as many copies, and it's a fucking brilliant album. the 'pop/rock' crowd (many of whom bought it) would've heard samples of it and rejected it without even listening to it more than once. now look at what ACTUALLY happened, and just imagine the faces of the 'pop/rock' fans who were expecting Nevermind Pt2, and got all those songs thrown at them. that's what i miss. people won't take chances anymore, and think how many things you have heard over the years that you maybe didnt like that much at first, but which grew on you... with downloading and samples, you wouldnt bother giving them a go... |
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Post by mongo on Jun 22, 2005 13:45:42 GMT -5
well personally if I buy a cd and then come the decision that it sucks I take it back and trade it in or sell it on ebay, than the next person comes by and buys it at 1/2 price cuz its now "used" and the band gets nothing on the subsequent sales, i think labels are hyping and putting out so much shit (albeit cleverly marketed shit) that people are tired of getting burned.....thats 15-20 bucks I could have spent on something else......
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Post by jonnythc on Jun 22, 2005 13:49:58 GMT -5
i agree with both of you
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 13:54:41 GMT -5
good
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