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Post by jonnythc on Jun 22, 2005 13:59:21 GMT -5
i still haven't heard this song and to be honest don't really care to...liked the trees though.
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 14:04:15 GMT -5
i still haven't heard this song and to be honest don't really care to...liked the trees though. it's a fun song... but like carlito says, it's very much 'a sympathy for the devil' pastiche...
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 14:05:41 GMT -5
i still haven't heard this song and to be honest don't really care to...liked the trees though. hey, ive got it if you want a copy...?
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Post by melaniewhorehouse on Jun 22, 2005 14:05:54 GMT -5
It's all about choice & control. When a band puts up samples on their own site or through myspace or whatever, it's because they've chosen to do that and they can exercise control over what material they wish to be publicly broadcast and how easily such material is shared. When QotSA and Audioslave (and others) put their albums up on myspace before release, it was their decision to do so, and the way that they were published made it very difficult for the average PC owner to nick and distribute. And it's distribution that's the biggest problem now. Back in the good old days, people were content to just make mixtapes of fave stuff or tape albums for one or two mates. nowadays, people upload albums for a potential of hundreds of thousands to just click on and download, with not a penny going to the artists. An then people wonder why nobody plays their town anymore... The whole "well, I downloaded the album to see what they sound like" argument holds little water. It's not hard to find official sample tracks on places like amazon or band's official sites - or actually taking the old-fashioned route of actually venturing outside, going to a record shop and actually asking the person behind the counter to put something on by the artist concerned. It's not really that difficult to do The free distribution of music has always been a part of the music industry, and has made many a band a lot of money (eventually). At it's best, it's just another form of word-of-mouth recommendation. But wholesale theft and distribution on the scale that is the accepted internet norm nowadays can make it incredibly difficult for good artists to become financially stable enough to give them enough time to make their mark on an industry that won't give people the time of day unless they have a spangly video. The Screaming Trees are a great example of all this - most people here never heard of them till they got their break on the Singles soundtrack that everyone bought for Pearl Jam. If their early stuff got leeched half as much as people's work is nowadays, then they would never have got to the point of being able to release a 6th album (not including the 2 EPs) from which to release a hit single on the back of a movie soundtrack. they would have been fucked over long before that could have happened...
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 14:13:00 GMT -5
It's all about choice & control. When a band puts up samples on their own site or through myspace or whatever, it's because they've chosen to do that and they can exercise control over what material they wish to be publicly broadcast and how easily such material is shared. When QotSA and Audioslave (and others) put their albums up on myspace before release, it was their decision to do so, and the way that they were published made it very difficult for the average PC owner to nick and distribute. And it's distribution that's the biggest problem now. Back in the good old days, people were content to just make mixtapes of fave stuff or tape albums for one or two mates. nowadays, people upload albums for a potential of hundreds of thousands to just click on and download, with not a penny going to the artists. An then people wonder why nobody plays their town anymore... The whole "well, I downloaded the album to see what they sound like" argument holds little water. It's not hard to find official sample tracks on places like amazon or band's official sites - or actually taking the old-fashioned route of actually venturing outside, going to a record shop and actually asking the person behind the counter to put something on by the artist concerned. It's not really that difficult to do The free distribution of music has always been a part of the music industry, and has made many a band a lot of money (eventually). At it's best, it's just another form of word-of-mouth recommendation. But wholesale theft and distribution on the scale that is the accepted internet norm nowadays can make it incredibly difficult for good artists to become financially stable enough to give them enough time to make their mark on an industry that won't give people the time of day unless they have a spangly video. The Screaming Trees are a great example of all this - most people here never heard of them till they got their break on the Singles soundtrack that everyone bought for Pearl Jam. If their early stuff got leeched half as much as people's work is nowadays, then they would never have got to the point of being able to release a 6th album (not including the 2 EPs) from which to release a hit single on the back of a movie soundtrack. they would have been fucked over long before that could have happened... absolutely.
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 14:19:43 GMT -5
The Screaming Trees are a great example of all this - most people here never heard of them till they got their break on the Singles soundtrack that everyone bought for Pearl Jam. tut, i dont know why pearl jam couldnt buy their own copies.
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Post by mongo on Jun 22, 2005 14:20:26 GMT -5
i think its driving artists away from the majors labels too, computer technology is getting to the point you can do amazing things from the fluffy leather chain in your own house, how many absolutely brilliant records have died without a trace due to being priority number 80 on a major
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Post by Lava on Jun 22, 2005 14:27:21 GMT -5
i think its driving artists away from the majors labels too, computer technology is getting to the point you can do amazing things from the fluffy leather chain in your own house, how many absolutely brilliant records have died without a trace due to being priority number 80 on a major and not only can you do it on your own, but also have complete control of every aspect and you can get product out much, much quicker
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 14:29:17 GMT -5
you can get product out much, much quicker not if I'M trying to mix it, believe me...
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Post by mongo on Jun 22, 2005 14:33:26 GMT -5
you can get product out much, much quicker not if I'M trying to mix it, believe me... with all this file sharingand seedy record execs I could not AFFORD you anyways
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 14:41:57 GMT -5
mongo, do you own any recording gear?
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Post by mongo on Jun 22, 2005 14:45:39 GMT -5
nothing fancy, working with sonar4, good sound card, a little behringer mixer, amps, bass and guitars and a shure mic of some sort.........any professional would laugh at me of course (which I assume you are) but it works for me
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Post by on Jun 22, 2005 15:01:13 GMT -5
nothing fancy, working with sonar4, good sound card, a little behringer mixer, amps, bass and guitars and a shure mic of some sort.........any professional would laugh at me of course (which I assume you are) but it works for me cool. that's not a bad little home setup. it's not like im a pro producer or anything, i just work at a college helping kids make music... nothing fancy. i have a little pro tools setup - digi002 rack and (at the moment) a G4 iBook (not mine - just been loaned it for some freelance work im doing)... a few decent mics, a nice keyboard, guitars/basses, and a Pod XT Live (forget miking amps for elec gtr sound, too much hassle). plus i have access to the college equipment/space for drums... but it's like i always have to tell students when they're making crap recordings on 32tracks of digital audio, the beatles did Sgt Pepper's on 4tracks... good music, decent mics, good playing and good recording skills. almost all my favourite records sound like 'performances' rather than 'productions'. or they at least don't sound processed. springsteen put out Nebraska, an album of 4track home recordings... no one cared about the acoustic guitar sound, cos the songs were good.
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Post by mongo on Jun 22, 2005 16:14:17 GMT -5
hahaha very nice, I was expecting to get blasted here, ive thought about using the pod, allowing for solid direct guitar signal with all the amp simulators and effects yes? Is this something you would recommend for what I am doing? I forgot ive got a midi controller too, I dont have the luxury of a facility for drumming so I use a loop system fruity something or other or try to ham fist it in real time using the keyboard which is a painful process as I cant seem to ever get right I remember working with a 4 track with my old band and could record 4 tracks bounce them over to a betamax machine and then shoot it back as one track freeing up 3 more for other things or some such nonsense like that. well maybe I could pick your brain on a few things at a later date?
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Post by Lava on Jun 22, 2005 16:57:30 GMT -5
I really want protools. I really need protools.
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Post by harro on Jun 22, 2005 19:08:16 GMT -5
nothing fancy, working with sonar4, good sound card, a little behringer mixer, amps, bass and guitars and a shure mic of some sort.........any professional would laugh at me of course (which I assume you are) but it works for me almost all my favourite records sound like 'performances' rather than 'productions'. or they at least don't sound processed. Respect
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Post by marlboroman on Jun 23, 2005 2:44:05 GMT -5
i agree with the 'try before you buy' ideal, but only because it works for me. i don't download entire albums and then scrap them, but epitonic.com and desotorecords.com have a little sampler for albums, and i-tunes. the only occasion where i would have occasion to download an album is if it's deleted, which i think is fair enough, since i will buy if it does become available again, because i'm a sucker for the proper 'official' version.
i don't like the idea of people downloading entire albums because it doesn't take into account the effort that has gone into making it. but i also agree with m0ng0's double edged sword comment. look at metallica (probably over-used in this type of discussion); if you release a turd, don't try and publicise the turd by arresting the people who don't want to make you richer based on buying the turd. too many artists use the anti-downloading stance as an excuse because their album sucks.
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Post by harro on Jun 23, 2005 2:49:13 GMT -5
too many artists use the anti-downloading stance as an excuse because their album sucks. Absofuckinglutely
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Post by on Jun 23, 2005 4:27:33 GMT -5
...maybe I could pick your brain on a few things at a later date? certainly. PM me or something... let me know what kind of thing you're doing and im sure i could offer a bit of advice...
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Post by harro on Jun 23, 2005 5:01:19 GMT -5
I'm sure he can advise on how to record the sound of flatulence
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Post by marlboroman on Jun 23, 2005 6:16:37 GMT -5
i know that's an insult, but it hasn't been aimed properly, so you're going to have to try again. this time try to be explicit about who you were insulting.
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Post by guest on Jun 23, 2005 6:23:30 GMT -5
Hm. It's particularly the vagueness I'm admiring.
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Post by harro on Jun 23, 2005 7:03:49 GMT -5
i know that's an insult, but it hasn't been aimed properly, so you're going to have to try again. this time try to be explicit about who you were insulting. UK Does that help clarify
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Post by marlboroman on Jun 23, 2005 8:10:17 GMT -5
I'm sure he can advise on how to record the sound of flatulence not really. i don't want to be pedantic, but i am, so it kinda comes out that way; were you trying to make a jibe at m0ng0 as to the quality of the music he would like to record, or mokkly for the music he's knowledgable about recording?
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Post by harro on Jun 23, 2005 9:05:49 GMT -5
I would never jibe Mongo's artistic endeavours....you go fella....rock on.......
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