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Post by inthefade on Mar 25, 2014 12:10:01 GMT -5
I asked my record store to order one for me. They said they would, but have not had much luck getting international releases in years past. It's nice of them to try but they said it's unlikely.
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Post by inthefade on Mar 27, 2014 8:55:44 GMT -5
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Mar 27, 2014 11:47:05 GMT -5
s&h $10??
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Post by inthefade on Mar 27, 2014 11:55:33 GMT -5
Yeah, unbelievable huh? Still it would be cheaper than trying to get it on ebay. Unless you want multiple copies. No breaks for large orders lol.
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Post by m2 on Mar 27, 2014 15:03:54 GMT -5
Unbelievable in what way? High?
That US price WITH shipping is still cheaper than the UK release direct from a shop.
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Post by scarfaceclaw on Mar 27, 2014 16:30:37 GMT -5
Great that it's available in the US...but any news on where folks outside both the US/UK could order from would be super.
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Post by Grumpella on Mar 27, 2014 17:56:32 GMT -5
I have to admit I think the shipping sucks because I live in Seattle. Barrett can drive over to my apartment and drop it off and pay rather less than $10 in gas.
edited to add - But of course I still just ordered a copy!
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Post by inthefade on Mar 27, 2014 23:17:31 GMT -5
Unbelievable in what way? High? That US price WITH shipping is still cheaper than the UK release direct from a shop. Yes, $10 to ship a record is unbelievably high. It costs $3 to ship a record domestically. Take into account that he's charging $20 to ship two records, and $30 to ship three, etc. It's kind of ridiculous. But like I said, still better than what you would get on ebay.
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Post by cameron4321 on Mar 28, 2014 0:13:34 GMT -5
I doubt that the $10 is really for shipping, more for "handling"....but I agree, with Mediamail, it's only $3. If you add in signature and tracking, maybe $7, but I'm game...I'll buy one!
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Post by demetrij on Mar 28, 2014 11:09:23 GMT -5
that should include a bonus 7 inch or something with the xtra tracks. Just ordered it though
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Post by silence on Mar 28, 2014 11:23:48 GMT -5
Nobody's ever happy, are they?
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Post by inthefade on Mar 28, 2014 11:30:25 GMT -5
I'm extremely happy. I'm getting what I want. It doesn't change the fact though; $50 to ship five records is lol worthy.
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Post by silence on Mar 28, 2014 11:34:48 GMT -5
Blame USPS and the people who make mailers for records. As m2 said above, you're still getting these far cheaper than we're getting them unmailed from a shop.
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Post by inthefade on Mar 28, 2014 11:42:12 GMT -5
Blame USPS and the people who make mailers for records. As m2 said above, you're still getting these far cheaper than we're getting them unmailed from a shop. Yeah let's use backwards logic and false facts to make the unreasonable reasonable. You can twist anything to make it sound great. You should have been a politician.
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Post by silence on Mar 28, 2014 12:04:05 GMT -5
?
You have to admit (as you did so earlier), every time anything gets announced on here, it's either "it's not fair I'm pissed off", or "x is coming out - but I want x+1" from several people on here.
Every time.
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Post by inthefade on Mar 28, 2014 12:16:20 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true. But you also have to admit that those shipping fees are excessive. A record mailer costs how much? A buck? To ship 5 records in one mailer is like $5-6. So yeah to charge $50 for five records, or $30 for three, has nothing to do with USPS.
I'm not complaining because I just want one copy for myself. I think it's funny. I'll pay the $10. But if I wanted multiples or any of his other records, I'd be hesitant to say the least.
I don't think complaining that an American band doesn't release their album in America is just unwarranted bitching. Luckily that wasn't the case after all. I also don't think it's the content, format, or any specifics of the release itself that people are complaining about. This isn't the same as, "I'm tired of hearing this song, I wish he would play this other song."
People have commented on the high shipping cost, but most will order it anyway, and by the time it arrives, I'll be so happy that I'll forget all about it.
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Post by silence on Mar 28, 2014 12:46:13 GMT -5
Apologies, bad tone from me there. I do a spot of work for a label, and the biggest gripe is shipping - will hopefully put the other side of the coin across when I get home...
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Post by inthefade on Mar 28, 2014 12:52:01 GMT -5
No apologies are necessary, I enjoy a good debate. It's not a flame war. That said, several people here have helped me greatly in getting the live CDs. I'd be more than willing to return the favor to people who are in the UK or Europe and miss out on this on RSD, or for Australians who seem to have no hope of getting this at all. It will still be expensive to ship this overseas, but if there's someone out there who desperately wants this and has no other recourse, I'd be happy to help.
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Post by silence on Mar 28, 2014 14:57:42 GMT -5
Cool! So, yeah - posting anything anywhere nowadays is a massive pain the dick. Especially, for reasons best known to the various postal services around the world, vinyl records (athough posters in tubes are starting to catch up). I suppose the main problem is economies of scale - most labels putting out new and interesting stuff on wax are incredibly small concerns, and Sunyata is a great example of this as it's a teenytiny label with few staff (anyone who ordered Last Words internationally on CD, look at the customs note - it will probably have been signed by Barrett Martin). Stock is at a premium, and supplies are bought in as and when. For decent quality packaging, mailers seem to be getting more and more expensive which is annoying but they are a necessary evil - I order a lot of stuff in and it's a major disappointment on the rare occasion when something that's cost a fair bit of cash arrived damaged (got an Inventions LP yesterday and it looks like it's been smashed into a wall - the cover's knackered but thankfully the record's OK). So, any good label worth dealing with uses sturdy mailers, stiffeners and cushioning material, and it's only fair that the poor sod packing all this is paid for doing so, and that's factored in as well. Postage-wise, it's hell. Packages are being reclassified and charges adjusted all the time in order to suit the postal companies (who operate a monopoly in most countries that apply here unless you want to go down the courier route), and small parcels have been really hit of late. The CD trade on here has been brilliant, and thankfully it will continue to be so because they're little and dirt cheap to post. Records, less so. I sent an LP to the US from here last year, and it was £18 (about $30) untracked. It's getting to the point where it's about the same vice versa as well. Nobody posts letters any more, but there's loads of boxes in the mail and everyone's capitalising on that - and it's probably only going to get more expensive, certainly from the UK where the Postal Service has just been privatised. The sad thing is that vinyl buying, despite RSD doing well (so well that HMV will probably be joining in next year, which sort of misses the point), is seen as "a collector's thing", and prices can reflect that. It's getting better - more black discs and less gimmickry - but it's still a lot of paying more for less a lot of the time. But until vinyl sales hit peak mass production - which they never will, thanks to a huge problem with expansion of production - they'll always be a bit on the pricey side. And when labels have to sell these labours of love at a premium, there's no end of suppliers, distributors and indeed retailers happy to make it an even more expensive pastime than it already is
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Post by moorfiend on Mar 28, 2014 14:59:09 GMT -5
If this was $25 + $5 to ship nobody would be complaining lol. He also may be using priority mail to ship the LP's instead of media mail. Priority would be $7.55 if its around 1.5-2 lbs. The extra shipping charge could also be to discourage flippers, which is a major problem around RSD. At any rate, I'm very excited these were put for sale for US customers.
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Post by silence on Mar 28, 2014 15:17:46 GMT -5
Not sure, but looking at the USPS site, Media Mail seems to extend to Educational Material only? Of course without opening the things this is ripe for all manner of chicanery, but I'd hazard a guess that a CD would be easier to get through the system than a record - unless someone tries to describe them as X-ray plates or somesuch...
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Post by inthefade on Mar 28, 2014 21:05:32 GMT -5
Records ship media mail.
Gee whiz.
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Post by silence on Mar 29, 2014 7:38:38 GMT -5
Which is why I said "not sure" as I don't live in the US and only had USPS' rather specific description of the service on their website to go on. All I can suggest then is contact the label and ask if they'd consider packing and posting it cheaper.
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Post by m2 on Mar 29, 2014 12:19:44 GMT -5
So, in summary... UK: People happy about the fact they get the chance to get up early and queue outside a shop for hours for the opportunity to maybe, hopefully, get hold of one of 500 copies of a record. Price? Equivalent of $33.28. Rest of the world: Not obsessed with consumerism. US: Can order the same product and get it delivered to their door for $30. Guaranteed to get it if they just take the time to order it. Moan about shipping.
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Post by Grumpella on Mar 29, 2014 15:02:48 GMT -5
I wasn't moaning. I was doing a groan with a little bit of whimper thrown in for dramatic effect. Doesn't translate well in print. Come to think of it, it doesn't translate well when verbalized, either. I get the oddest looks and space clears around me ...
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