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Post by cameron4321 on Oct 9, 2011 21:48:43 GMT -5
I always loved this song...Mark's singing on the track reminds me of Troubled Times, which is my all time favorite Trees track, but sadly, I can't find the song anywhere. Years of different computers crashing have done the trick on my catalogue.
Does anyone know what record / EP that was from?
mod ed: removed your last question.
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Post by Grumpella on Oct 10, 2011 0:03:33 GMT -5
I know where you can find that song, Cameron, but since you appear to be totally disregarding one of the golden rules of this forum - Thou Shalt Not Share Official Releases - I am not going to tell you.
Yes, I live up to my name.
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Post by Lungsey on Oct 10, 2011 7:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by cameron4321 on Oct 11, 2011 3:02:24 GMT -5
Wow...a little protective of a 15 year old b side that you can't buy on iTunes and there is no way royalties could be gained. Way to go forum friends...censorship on a forum...keepin it real!
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Post by Lungsey on Oct 11, 2011 7:33:50 GMT -5
History teaches people, even forum friends. There's been enough trouble over official releases being offered here, or being asked for.
It has nothing to do with being protective, it is common sense and it is wanting to prevent problems.
This community has been around a long time and we are proud of it too. Enjoy it if you want.
We do not overmoderate this place. Posts are editted when the FAQs are overseen or ignored.
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Post by ♫ ♪ on Oct 11, 2011 13:10:24 GMT -5
i always figured OOP stuff was okay to share.
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Post by Grumpella on Oct 11, 2011 14:17:07 GMT -5
From the How To Use This Section for the Downloads section of the site :
"- No commercially available or copyrighted recordings. No exceptions (except for the copyright holders themselves. It never hurts to ask!)"
My understanding is that at some point in the past the sharing of official releases was being done and came to the attention of Lanegan's management, who were not amused and did not approve, in no uncertain terms. I can see the point being made with out of print work, and I also buy a lot of stuff used because it is easier on my budget, which the artists and record companies don't see any money from. However, I also don't see the problem with adhering to this golden rule, especially as the disregarding of it will cause problems for Raeni, who does not deserve them, and could well lead to the discontinuation of this forum. I haven't been active on it much lately, but I am glad it is here and want it to remain.
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Post by pueffu on Oct 12, 2011 5:36:06 GMT -5
Wow...a little protective of a 15 year old b side that you can't buy on iTunes and there is no way royalties could be gained. Way to go forum friends...censorship on a forum...keepin it real! and what is if they rerelease it next week? it's not censorship on a forum, it's respecting the rights of the authors. so your turn to keep it real. |
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Post by Derek on Oct 14, 2011 8:51:37 GMT -5
It saddens me a little, that fellow Lanegan fans can be so unhelpful to other fans. You do realise we all have something amazing in common, and there's not that many of us. I would have been mortified if you responded to me like that on my favourite artists forum. Civility costs nothing. If you're going to tell someone off there's PMs for that. And a swift thread deletion is easy. I totally understand that you wouldn't want to cause upset with Mark and/or his management. I get that. I know we can't all share his music willy nilly. I'm talking more about having respect for other people. Other than that grumble, this is a brilliant, informative forum. Keep up the good work.  |
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Post by Montage on Oct 14, 2011 19:23:16 GMT -5
I'm talking more about having respect for other people. Yes, let's have some respect for Mark and everyone else involved in making the music we so well enjoy. A copyright is a copyright, whether you can easily buy the music or it's OOP. It sucks, fine, but that's how it is. Sure, people could get told off in PMs, but until threads like this stop popping up, they might as well serve as examples for what not to do. If you want to pirate music, go hit up some fileshare site, but this really isn't the place. People involved in the making of this music are known to monitor this site, so you might as well just walk up to Mark and ask him if it's okay you steal from him. |
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Post by Lungsey on Oct 16, 2011 16:36:19 GMT -5
You can't please all the people all of the time. Some would prefer things to be settled through PM only, others would want mods to delete entire threads, some say we shouldn't do anything and some say we should ban anyone at first signs of trouble.
Cameron, though i do not know him, has been a member for 2 years. He can be expected to know the rules. He seems keen on collecting which is cool. He left his email address in 4 different posts and i could have deleted all of them but didn't because that IMO is overmoderating.
What i did not appreciate is to be told off for doing what i as a moderator have to do. I responded by keeping it plain and simple, without sarcasm or insult. That's the best i can do.
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Post by Grumpella on Oct 16, 2011 19:15:42 GMT -5
And even nice enough to not scold me for being something of a bitch! The best you can do works just fine for me, Lungsey.
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Post by brokenwolf on Feb 26, 2012 13:24:06 GMT -5
You guys are brutal. You wouldn't even tell him where the cd can be found. It's not our fault the songs are unavailable. Or they are really expensive elsewhere on the internet. It's not my fault where I live. If Lanegans management has an issue they should re release it. This is why I dont come here very often. This site is just as helpful as the queens of the stone age site. But you'll say you dont want me and you have a community. Fine I dont care. But you guys are ruining a nice thing and I hope you know.
I bet in the 70's people got a lot of free tunes.
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Post by barriers on Feb 26, 2012 13:37:15 GMT -5
It's on the All I Know single.
He was asking for someone to share the track with him which is very frowned upon here (regardless of what happend from 1970 to 1980.) If he just wanted to know what album the song was on he would have used google.
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Post by kyselina on Feb 26, 2012 18:26:49 GMT -5
I'm talking more about having respect for other people. Yes, let's have some respect for Mark and everyone else involved in making the music we so well enjoy. And let's have some respect for Raeni who created & maintains the onewhiskey website and this forum of her own volition and gets nothing for it other than the joy of a great community of fans and acknowledgement from Mark, his management & a few others. She's also one who has to deal with the big problems that flare up, the ones that get noticed by Mark & musicians that he works with, that end up in her lap & the laps of the mods. And in the long run that affects all of us who enjoy this place. |
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Post by comejanuary on Feb 26, 2012 21:16:08 GMT -5
You guys are brutal. You wouldn't even tell him where the cd can be found. It's not our fault the songs are unavailable. Or they are really expensive elsewhere on the internet. It's not my fault where I live. If Lanegans management has an issue they should re release it. This is why I dont come here very often. This site is just as helpful as the queens of the stone age site. But you'll say you dont want me and you have a community. Fine I dont care. But you guys are ruining a nice thing and I hope you know. I bet in the 70's people got a lot of free tunes. Actually IIRC I told him where to find it (All I Know single, Ebay, make sure its not the radio version with no bsides though), but deleted my post during one of my many meltdowns. And did you forget- Home taping is killing the record industry! |
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Post by LostCause on Feb 26, 2012 21:39:00 GMT -5
And did you forget- Home taping is killing the record industry! I am sure that Mark appreciates the sarcasm. There is no middle ground here on this site. Why is it so hard to realize that? The problem is that stealing music is so common now that many people do not even think of it as that. The anonymity of the Internet makes people say and do things they would not do and could not get away with in public. |
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Post by comejanuary on Feb 26, 2012 21:59:31 GMT -5
It was aimed at the "I bet people shared music in the 70s" comment.
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Post by emanedur on Feb 27, 2012 2:43:12 GMT -5
Probably a dumb question but why is it ok to share bootlegged music/video. I know that it's not copyrighted etc but most times I bet we don't get permission to tape. Some might say that's stealing. Not pointing fingers just wondering |
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Post by Montage on Feb 27, 2012 3:11:55 GMT -5
It's not copyrighted, so you can share it. But it shouldn't exist in the first place if you don't have permission, or went against a no taping policy.
The downloading double standard only exists here because this site has been in trouble for file sharing before. So we must abide by the rules.
Everyone downloads music, just like every taped stuff back in the day. The difference is that I no longer have to wait all day at my radio to get that one song I wanted and could repopulate my entire music folder in an afternoon (for free) if I so felt inclined.
And might I point out that over the past few years there have been several ST releases of b-sides etc and that these tracks might pop up for sale again? Is it really the end of the world if you're having a little trouble finding the b-side to an OOP single from 15 years ago?
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Post by kingdomsofrain on Feb 27, 2012 17:59:24 GMT -5
You guys are brutal. You wouldn't even tell him where the cd can be found. It's not our fault the songs are unavailable. Or they are really expensive elsewhere on the internet. It's not my fault where I live. If Lanegans management has an issue they should re release it. This is why I dont come here very often. This site is just as helpful as the queens of the stone age site. But you'll say you dont want me and you have a community. Fine I dont care. But you guys are ruining a nice thing and I hope you know. I bet in the 70's people got a lot of free tunes. Im very brutal, I once beat a man to death with the 'All i know single' for asking to hear it for free. Very satisfying. |
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Post by Grumpella on Feb 27, 2012 23:34:48 GMT -5
You guys are brutal. You wouldn't even tell him where the cd can be found. It's not our fault the songs are unavailable. Or they are really expensive elsewhere on the internet. It's not my fault where I live. If Lanegans management has an issue they should re release it. This is why I dont come here very often. This site is just as helpful as the queens of the stone age site. But you'll say you dont want me and you have a community. Fine I dont care. But you guys are ruining a nice thing and I hope you know. I bet in the 70's people got a lot of free tunes. Im very brutal, I once beat a man to death with the 'All i know single' for asking to hear it for free. Very satisfying. They don't make cd's like they used to, last time I tried that it cracked before I'd even rendered the offender properly unconscious. |
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Post by kingdomsofrain on Feb 28, 2012 10:58:25 GMT -5
Im very brutal, I once beat a man to death with the 'All i know single' for asking to hear it for free. Very satisfying. They don't make cd's like they used to, last time I tried that it cracked before I'd even rendered the offender properly unconscious. ;D I find the sharp edge of the House a Home single (NO I CANT UPLOAD IT AND INCLUDE HI-RES ARTWORK) works very well for blinding one's opponent. Then one can simply relax and finish them off with the stay single (NO I CANT UPLOAD IT AND INCLUDE HI-RES ARTWORK). |
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Post by Grumpella on Feb 28, 2012 11:04:39 GMT -5
I  you, Kingdoms. |
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Post by kingdomsofrain on Feb 28, 2012 11:42:12 GMT -5
I you, Kingdoms. ;D I didn't know you felt so strongly! Well grumpy the end could be soon, we'd better rent a room so you can love me.  Lanegan themed Wedding on the horizon guys and gals ;D |
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