mokkz
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Post by mokkz on Mar 16, 2008 4:44:24 GMT -5
jeez, i sound like Rain Man or something.
count the bars.. count the bars..
err..... wheel of fortune.
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Post by apelpis on Mar 16, 2008 5:44:24 GMT -5
Mocksie, you just turned into my favorite elitist bitch in the universe. I fully approve and support thee.  |
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jbd
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Post by jbd on Mar 16, 2008 5:49:27 GMT -5
the guitar solos on bete noire are complete ass, (dulli should know better) I just had to post and say how much I disagree with that statement... |
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Post by apelpis on Mar 16, 2008 5:53:31 GMT -5
Please don't tell anyone you think there are actual guitar solos on Saturnalia.
5 note leads strategically placed toward the end of songs cannot be called solos.
It's still a bloody fucking brilliant record but it's all about vox and moods evoked.
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Post by jbd on Mar 16, 2008 6:29:41 GMT -5
Please don't tell anyone you think there are actual guitar solos on Saturnalia. Listen to Bête Noire from 1:43 to 2:20. That's a solo. 47 seconds of it. And it's fucking brilliant. And what actually makes it brilliant is how technically simple it is compared to how amazing it sounds. It's not all about vox and moods, it's about everything. Melodies, arangements, guitars, drums, EVERYTHING makes it the perfect record. Not just two awesome vocalists. |
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Post by apelpis on Mar 16, 2008 6:45:28 GMT -5
Fanboys. Pffft  |
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Post by manintheshadows on Mar 16, 2008 7:21:14 GMT -5
If people on this site weren't fanboys/girls, then they most likely wouldn't be here on the internet visiting and contributing to a website specifically created to discuss the work of one person who most of us have never spoken with.
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Post by apelpis on Mar 16, 2008 7:47:05 GMT -5
True.
But there is a difference between honest appreciation of an artist's body of work and shameless glorifying of their grocery lists so to speak.
I love the music Lanegan makes but if something is off, I'm gonna call it that. It doesn't change my liking for his sound but people should grow out of this whole "The ground he walks on is fucking hallowed" phase.
We might as well all start going around in Nightwish t-shirts otherwise, you know?
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jbd
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Post by jbd on Mar 16, 2008 8:04:52 GMT -5
But there is a difference between honest appreciation of an artist's body of work and shameless glorifying of their grocery lists so to speak. I love the music Lanegan makes but if something is off, I'm gonna call it that. It doesn't change my liking for his sound but people should grow out of this whole "The ground he walks on is fucking hallowed" phase. You're missing the point. I'm not glorifying Mark, i'm not praising his name, i'm not stalking him all day long. This is not about him, it's about a collective, The Gutter Twins. Mark didn't play that guitar solo on Bête Noire did he ? Saturnalia is a masterpiece and it's all I'm saying. I'm not a die hard fan, I only come here once in a while that's all. Sorry dude. |
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Post by apelpis on Mar 16, 2008 8:39:38 GMT -5
Saturnalia is an awesome dark soul/goth blues album, not a masterpiece. It's solid and hits all the right spots but let's not throw around "masterpiece" and "fucking awesome" just like that. They should be reserved for the real deal.
Bubblegum comes to mind.
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Post by mockingbird on Mar 16, 2008 10:00:19 GMT -5
Seven Stories Underground is still my favorite.
However, I can't stop listening to God's Children.
Mark and Greg singing:
Strange the way you seem... suicidal
You don't live at all
So why are you cryin'? (*absolutely love Greg's voice on this verse, especially)
Come and play with me,
And feel desire
It's all in the dark[/i][/b]
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 16, 2008 11:06:20 GMT -5
the guitar solos on bete noire are complete ass, (dulli should know better) its a terrible mess, i like them. they're fitting of the retro vibe that you describe in the keys and bass sound. you could stick those solos on an early Stones/Beatles record.. even pop these sounds on something 70's and poppy by Todd Rundgren... there are no big modern distortion sounds, just a nice old-sounding guitar/amp.. (although it might well have been done with digital effects modeling on a Pod or something) I agree. I like the guitar on the album throughout, and "Bete Noire" is no exception. I suppose my ears have become more modernized, as I tend to have a knee-jerk reaction of "That's cheesy!" whenever I hear a guitar solo, but I didn't react that way at all to the guitar bits on Saturnalia. And it's not because I am an uncritical listener who finds whatever artists that I particularly admire do to be beyond reproach. I found that the guitar bit musically and emotionally complements the rest of the song and hear a lot of the qualities you describe. Saturnalia is an awesome dark soul/goth blues album, not a masterpiece. It's solid and hits all the right spots but let's not throw around "masterpiece" and "fucking awesome" just like that. They should be reserved for the real deal. Bubblegum comes to mind. I think Saturnalia is better than Bubblegum...  And words are relative. If I called Saturnalia a masterpiece, and then called Beethoven's 9th Symphony a masterpiece, I would not be suggesting that they both have the same degree or kind of masterpiece-dom... |
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Post by Dragoro on Mar 16, 2008 11:31:30 GMT -5
Saturnalia is defintely a masterpiece. Right up there with blackberry belle and gentlemen
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Post by maidli2 on Mar 16, 2008 12:10:32 GMT -5
Saturnalia is defintely a masterpiece. Right up there with blackberry belle and gentlemen I think Saturnalia is better than Bubblegum... i think some of bubblegum are better than saturnalia's ;D and some of Saturnalia are better than Bubblegum's. i could make my own "best of" with both.... and it's done... indeed |
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Post by skeletal2 on Mar 22, 2008 14:56:23 GMT -5
Okay, All Misery/Flowers is the best. Not that is was asked, but The Body is by far the fuckin' worst. Sorry Twins, one failure out of 12 ain't that bad...
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Post by Dragoro on Mar 22, 2008 15:16:42 GMT -5
What? Body is great.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Mar 22, 2008 17:42:23 GMT -5
no its not, its quite awful actually....... |
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Post by Dragoro on Mar 23, 2008 9:59:44 GMT -5
Its funny how people that sont understand somwthing automatically consider it bad.
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Post by manintheshadows on Mar 23, 2008 10:03:54 GMT -5
It's not my favourite track on the album, but it's nice enough - it's quite important that it's there though, as the first half would be pretty miserable without it (Each to Each does the same with the 2nd half), giving the whole affair a much better balance.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Mar 23, 2008 10:11:23 GMT -5
Its funny how people that sont understand somwthing automatically consider it bad. what don't I understand? please explain. |
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Post by supersunny on Mar 23, 2008 12:02:59 GMT -5
Due to some religious stuff getting in the way of a perfectly good chocolate festival...and I haven't even been watching The Passion on tv...I now know what the heck The Stations means (14 of 'em and they're not on any London Underground map).
And that is what I voted for.
Also particularly like God's Children and I Was In Love With You.
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Post by manintheshadows on Mar 23, 2008 12:06:33 GMT -5
...and I haven't even been watching The Passion on tv... Ooh you missed a treat there - despite me being completely unreligious and knowing what the ending was, I'm really enjoying it. It's really well-made drama, the like of which rarely appear on Telly anymore. |
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Post by Dragoro on Mar 23, 2008 14:25:39 GMT -5
Its funny how people that sont understand somwthing automatically consider it bad. what don't I understand? please explain. Sorry jack daniels and typin on a blackberry don't mix that well. Sont = don't. And course somwthing = something. |
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Windom Earle
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Post by Windom Earle on Mar 24, 2008 16:08:08 GMT -5
At the moment Circle the Fringes is my favourite. Such an incredible song.
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Post by gr0undzer0 on Mar 24, 2008 18:03:22 GMT -5
what don't I understand? please explain. Sorry jack daniels and typin on a blackberry don't mix that well. Sont = don't. And course somwthing = something. I understood the drunken text well enough, I wanna know what was the implication behind it....Like I somehow don't "understand" the body |
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