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Post by Dragoro on Mar 11, 2008 20:25:56 GMT -5
The isobell colaberation is awesome. Like an angel singing with the devil.
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Post by Fields at Midnight on Mar 11, 2008 21:00:22 GMT -5
We need Mokkly to watch that video and give them the what for .
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Post by Mitya on Mar 11, 2008 21:49:44 GMT -5
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Post by Dragoro on Mar 11, 2008 22:14:15 GMT -5
Great review. One of the best I've read (tons).
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Post by apelpis on Mar 12, 2008 3:31:23 GMT -5
Those two little sad milktoast boys wouldn't know their own fucking cocks from milkstraws.
I got disgusted after 0:03 and turned it off.
People should wisen up to the fact that this music is made for about 1000 people in the western world and no more.
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Post by skeletal2 on Mar 12, 2008 13:44:11 GMT -5
"I have a feeling we may be talking about Saturnalia for years to come." EXACTLY.
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Post by kyselina on Mar 12, 2008 22:04:50 GMT -5
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Post by LostCause on Mar 12, 2008 22:18:26 GMT -5
Those two little sad milktoast boys wouldn't know their own fucking cocks from milkstraws. I got disgusted after 0:03 and turned it off. People should wisen up to the fact that this music is made for about 1000 people in the western world and no more. I am proud to count myself among those 1000. Guess it wasn't enough for you to say it is not your cup of tea.
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Post by Mitya on Mar 13, 2008 1:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by apelpis on Mar 13, 2008 7:19:35 GMT -5
Hey, I'm with the 1000 too.
Fans of soda-pop music should leave us alone.
We're all on this board cause we have issues anyway;)
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Post by kyselina on Mar 13, 2008 10:15:40 GMT -5
Thanks for that one. I couldn't figure out how I had missed it in the (physical) paper, then realized from the date that it will be in Sunday's paper.
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 13, 2008 11:13:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, I thoroughly enjoyed reading that. Nice analysis of both Cave and The Gutter Twins (and Devotchka as well, I suppose, though I can't say with too much certainty as I am only familiar with one or two of their songs). "linking the disparate frequencies of masculine expression"Nice. Though I'm not in agreement with critics who describe Dulli's voice or persona as "predatory," especially not on this album. I get rather the opposite impression--this sense of struggle with feelings of being or having been violated in some way, and at times of this almost helpless surrender to something or someone that's hurt or been hurting him. Like when he sings, "It's all right to take me down..." in "Circle the Fringes." Chills down the spine every time.
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 13, 2008 11:36:14 GMT -5
I like how Butty takes a handful of lyrics from the album out of context and makes it sound like something it isn't. Sure, The Gutter Twins sing about "pills and suicide," but this is no adolescent wallow in gloom or cliched rock-star attempt to glorify these things, at least not to my ears. What I hear when I listen to the album is two men who have recently entered middle age reflecting on what they've been through in their lives, trying to make sense of it, and trying to leave past excesses behind. And I think anyone who could describe Mark's voice as sounding "dated" must be deaf, emotionally numb, or dead inside. It's the very world-weary timelessness of his voice that draws so many to his music and inspires so many other musicians to want to work with him. But Butty betrays his ignorance--and perhaps his petty jealousy--when he begins his review by taking swipes at the looks of two men who could easily have clients lined up around the block if they decided to sell their sexual services for profit.
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Post by apelpis on Mar 13, 2008 13:11:34 GMT -5
But Butty betrays his ignorance--and perhaps his petty jealousy--when he begins his review by taking swipes at the looks of two men who could easily have clients lined up around the block if they decided to sell their sexual services for profit.
=====> Errr...no. If Dulli was a milkman and Lanegan the newspaper boy, they'd be married with 10 kids each and a body count of 5 or 6.
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Post by Shoesh on Mar 13, 2008 14:04:05 GMT -5
the looks of two men who could easily have clients lined up around the block if they decided to sell their sexual services for profit. Tr00 as p00.
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Post by kyselina on Mar 14, 2008 22:42:00 GMT -5
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 14, 2008 23:25:12 GMT -5
Holy crap, that is the best review of Saturnalia I've read thus far. Kudos to Mr. Bambarger, for whom I would happily buy a drink if he showed up at the Webster Hall show. I especially appreciate his acknowledgement of the complexity and "depth of adult concerns" expressed in this music, which too many reviewers have insinuated is a one-note, juvenile wallow in excess and despair. These are not men who are much prone to hipster irony, emo self-pity, or adolescent goth shock tactics; these are men who wrestle with their demons, who surrender to the adult task of learning to shoulder their burdens with some measure of hard-won grace--in the form of wisdom--to leaven the world-weary sorrow, and this is what makes them true men, not boys, not children, not self-consciously precious artists. However many names people call them, Mark and Greg are the real deal.
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Post by Mitya on Mar 15, 2008 3:37:44 GMT -5
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Post by Beaty on Mar 15, 2008 9:45:33 GMT -5
(A little translation from the German magazine Musikexpress, made by moi.) ;D Mark Lanegan and Greg Dulli are coming along with some symphonic Alterative Rock.For years and years, ML (ex-Screaming Trees) and GD (ex-Afghan Wings, The Twilight Singers) have been refining each others records and concerts, until 2003, when the idea of forming a collective band emerged. With the help of producer Matthias Schneeberger, the two heavy weights of rock recorded their debut which fulfills all expectations. Saturnalia is an album full of mortality, whose apocalyptic vibe from time to time gets interrupted by excursions into, let's say, animated/enliven ground. The songs live with the dark, symphonic instrumentation which, with the guys' rough and sonorous voices, gains some added weight. Whether the blues influenced "Who Will Lead Us", the delightfully reduced "Seven Stories Underground", the melanchlic "God's Children", or "Circle The Fringes" which, with its mood agitations, is the core piece of the album : the Gutter Twins have delivered a solid album that just keeps on growing on you. 4 1/2 stars out of 6 (I really hope it all makes sense)
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Post by LostCause on Mar 15, 2008 11:24:57 GMT -5
(I really hope it all makes sense) Yes it does, thanks.
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Post by Mitya on Mar 16, 2008 17:24:39 GMT -5
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Post by Stephanie on Mar 16, 2008 19:36:50 GMT -5
Great review. These were my favorite bits:
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Post by kyselina on Mar 20, 2008 18:51:26 GMT -5
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Post by Mitya on Mar 20, 2008 19:04:09 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the review, Kyselina!
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Post by Dragoro on Mar 20, 2008 19:06:05 GMT -5
Wow compared front street to the wall. That's some high praise
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