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Post by frauleinkül on Jan 11, 2012 16:08:21 GMT -5
It's too much of a coincidence for my liking. If you think they're separate and want me to go with pop culture references in ML song, let's go with the Johnny Cash lyric 'we got married in a fever' which he 1. skewed to 'we got buried in a fever' in 2. a song called Wedding Dress with 3. his ex-wife on backing vocals. If that is not a 'Tarantino thing' (as you put it), then I don't know what is. **Edit - Ooh, I forgot the best popular culture reference in a Lanegan performance... www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-G-JbAR5Q (from 0:25) and... www.youtube.com/watch?v=f56Z9w1uwgs from 4:39).** 'Wedding Dress' uses references in an exceptionally elegant and humorous way. I'll never disagree with you on that  And thanks for that last one! I've never heard of that one before - it just made day ;D |
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Post by SheBangsTheTrums on Jan 11, 2012 16:23:56 GMT -5
Album starts with death and ends in truth, via a trip to hospital. Nice  |
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Post by kingdomsofrain on Jan 11, 2012 16:28:42 GMT -5
all links are dead. Looks like Beggars shut them down. I'll have to wait. Thats why i downloaded it from youtube, didn't think it would be long before they took it down. |
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Post by Psychotropic Snake on Jan 11, 2012 16:30:01 GMT -5
It's too much of a coincidence for my liking. If you think they're separate and want me to go with pop culture references in ML song, let's go with the Johnny Cash lyric 'we got married in a fever' which he 1. skewed to 'we got buried in a fever' in 2. a song called Wedding Dress with 3. his ex-wife on backing vocals. If that is not a 'Tarantino thing' (as you put it), then I don't know what is. **Edit - Ooh, I forgot the best popular culture reference in a Lanegan performance... www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-G-JbAR5Q (from 0:25) and... www.youtube.com/watch?v=f56Z9w1uwgs from 4:39).** 'Wedding Dress' uses references in an exceptionally elegant and humorous way. I'll never disagree with you on that And thank for that last one! I've never heard of that one before - it just made day ;D The second one is just hilarious, but I was wondering, what's with the Playskool commercial? Could somebody please explain the reference? |
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Post by frauleinkül on Jan 11, 2012 16:42:19 GMT -5
Listen closely to what is said at 0:25 in the commercial. Then from 4:39 in 'Tonight'. They're related |
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Post by Psychotropic Snake on Jan 11, 2012 16:44:42 GMT -5
Listen closely to what is said at 0:25 in the commercial. Then from 4:39 in 'Tonight'. They're related I think my speakers are ruined beyond repair. I only heard a weird mass of sound the first time I listened. But that was crazy ;D |
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Post by Lungsey on Jan 11, 2012 17:08:15 GMT -5
I hope that answers your question before you get angry and get banned again stfu Myname, neutro, and anyone else that feels he/she has a part in this: we are no longer in kindergarden so quit provoking eachother and quit the abuse. I do not feel like going through the entire thread to see who else is being a dick. But please just act your age. If needed i will ban anyone here that intends to start fights, respond disrespectfully etc. Use your brain before posting. Some of you have already had enough warnings in the past from either me, or m0ng0. The end. |
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Post by calm ocean on Jan 11, 2012 18:21:26 GMT -5
Listen closely to what is said at 0:25 in the commercial. Then from 4:39 in 'Tonight'. They're related I think my speakers are ruined beyond repair. I only heard a weird mass of sound the first time I listened. But that was crazy ;D They both end with a mischievious boy asking "Scared ya, didn't I?" |
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Post by Psychotropic Snake on Jan 11, 2012 18:26:10 GMT -5
I think my speakers are ruined beyond repair. I only heard a weird mass of sound the first time I listened. But that was crazy ;D They both end with a mischievious boy asking "Scared ya, didn't I?" Yeah, I noticed. The second boy has some sense of humor ;D |
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Post by Stephanie on Jan 11, 2012 20:01:29 GMT -5
1. I am very disappointed to have missed the chance to hear this song, but I am very intrigued by the descriptions of it. I enjoy the sounds and aesthetic associated with the bands mentioned, Cure, New Order, Depeche Mode, etc. I look forward to getting a chance to hear what people are talking about. 2. Being a fan of 80s goth bands (and not ashamed to admit it, though perhaps I should be? ), including Sisters of Mercy, the first musical reference/association that jumped to my mind with the phrase "sister(s) of mercy" in the lyrics to "Harborview Hospital" was not the band, but the Leonard Cohen song: Oh the sisters of mercy, they are not departed or gone.
They were waiting for me when I thought that I just can't go on.
And they brought me their comfort and later they brought me this song.
Oh I hope you run into them, you who've been travelling so long.
Yes you who must leave everything that you cannot control.
It begins with your family, but soon it comes around to your soul.
Well I've been where you're hanging, I think I can see how you're pinned:
When you're not feeling holy, your loneliness says that you've sinned.
Well they lay down beside me, I made my confession to them.
They touched both my eyes and I touched the dew on their hem.
If your life is a leaf that the seasons tear off and condemn
they will bind you with love that is graceful and green as a stem.
When I left they were sleeping, I hope you run into them soon.
Don't turn on the lights, you can read their address by the moon.
And you won't make me jealous if I hear that they sweetened your night:
We weren't lovers like that and besides it would still be all right,
We weren't lovers like that and besides it would still be all right. |
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Post by cokboydeluxejr on Jan 11, 2012 20:38:44 GMT -5
By the way, the new song is still posted on youtube.
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Post by LostCause on Jan 11, 2012 23:45:06 GMT -5
Thanks found it. Very cool. I know to expect the unexpected.
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Post by Iago on Jan 12, 2012 0:02:24 GMT -5
Always good to hear the voice of Mr Leonard Cohen! |
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Post by neutro on Jan 12, 2012 3:06:52 GMT -5
all links are dead. Looks like Beggars shut them down. I'll have to wait. looks like you don't have to wait  |
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Post by beyondthepale on Jan 12, 2012 3:49:24 GMT -5
Twice even.....with lots and lots of smoking women!
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Post by salesman on Jan 12, 2012 12:31:34 GMT -5
Whoa. It's good. Unexpected is an understatement. For some reason it brings to mind his stuff with Soulsavers...if Soulsavers was less dark...or something.
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Post by comejanuary on Jan 12, 2012 13:50:46 GMT -5
all links are dead. Looks like Beggars shut them down. I'll have to wait. looks like you don't have to wait Does anyone know what movie that is? |
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Post by cokboydeluxejr on Jan 12, 2012 17:18:32 GMT -5
Just noticed there are about 20 people seeding a Blues Funeral torrent right now.
The funny thing is that the torrent isn't real. It's a complete fake.
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Post by Stephanie on Jan 12, 2012 17:52:30 GMT -5
Okay, finally got to listen. Love the lyrics and vocal melody, but I don't like the "orchestration" of the track at all. Definitely more U2 than Depeche Mode to my ears, but what bugs me is not that it sounds a whole lot like U2--I wouldn't say the comparison is that close--but that I think the musical background takes away from the impact of the song.
I find some aspects of the backing orchestration to be... insipid. One of the things I've loved about Mark's music is how he can express these very dark thoughts and moods and yet highlight them with genuine hope, empathy, caring, and love (or not, depending...). The mood of this backing music is something else to my ear, however, a sort of sterile, cheesy, whitewash. Strong words, but that is my honest reaction. I am open to the fact it may grow on me, though. I also believe this song will carry across better live.
My strongly worded criticisms have drawn ire here before, so in hopes of pre-empting that, I would emphasize the point of sharing my opinion is not to cut anyone down, but engage a dialogue about this music, its impact, and why it is successful, when it is. I think these discussions can draw out fascinating truths and add to constructive reinforcement of an artist's strengths. Of course I or any of us may fail to achieve these ends, but I believe they're worth aiming for.
That said... it's interesting to me what a contrast this song is to Gravedigger's Song! Harborview Hospital's music is bland and polished, Gravedigger's Song is distorted and abrasive. Even if I have my issues with HH (just the orchestration--love the lyrics and melody), I love the contrast and range here, which bodes well for the entire album!
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Post by frauleinkül on Jan 12, 2012 18:33:58 GMT -5
Well, here we go I quite disagree with you, that the orchestration takes anything away from the song. To me, the icyness of the music makes the impact even greater, and emphasises the desolation that runs through the lyrics. I agree that it does have a 'sterile' quality to it, but - again, personally - I find that it by creating some sort of distance, actually manages to move even closer and really get under your skin. And I completely agree about the range of the album that 'Gravedigger's Song' and 'Harborview Hosital' points towards. It seems like it's going to be one of those records you can't but listen to from start to finish. |
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Post by LostCause on Jan 12, 2012 18:48:03 GMT -5
It will be nice to hear on a real sound system. It will be interesting to hear within the context of the record as well as to hear live. I can hear a more heavy handed guitar song without some of the orchestration. It will be interesting for certain.
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Post by Stephanie on Jan 12, 2012 18:48:11 GMT -5
Thanks for engaging me ;D
See, that's just it--I don't find the music to have an "icy" quality to it, there is not a trace to my ear of that wonderful cold darkness of a Depeche Mode backing track. It's perhaps the musical equivalent of the person who responds to someone who says, "I am so sad because she died," by saying, "Well, she's in a better place now." It's like the musical backing to some TV movie where we're all learning some life lesson in which the darkness is allayed by some comforting homily. The darkness does not need to be allayed! This song is from the perspective of someone who is looking back upon a darkness past--but the residue of that past darkness still resonates, in the questions the song asks, in the depth of emotion in Mark's voice... but not in the backing music. At least not to my ears.
But I am open to the fact I could change my mind completely about this; I have had many strong reactions to first listens or viewings that changed later when I gave the song or film enough time to work its way into my mind. I don't dislike the song...
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Post by Grumpella on Jan 12, 2012 23:03:53 GMT -5
With all the bands' names and artist being bandied about in reference to this song, I thought I'd interject what it reminds me of. I don't hear U2 (but I did stop listening to them after Achtung Baby), and I don't recall a single Sisters of Mercy song that sounds remotely like Harborview Hospital. This song, though, popped into my head about thirty seconds into my first listen of HH and has planted itself there quite firmly. Not in any way to detract from Lanegan's song, which I love whole heartedly, I just wonder if anyone else hears the resemblance?
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Post by Psychotropic Snake on Jan 13, 2012 0:42:11 GMT -5
To some extent, I do agree with Stephanie. I think also that the beats needed some kind of variation, given that the song doesn't follow the verse-chorus-verse formula. Aside from that, I think the lyrics are good and Mark's delivery is perfectly suited to the nostalgic mood of the words.
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Post by neutro on Jan 13, 2012 3:12:59 GMT -5
I don't know how can you pay attention to the beat on such a wonderful song, Mark's voice and lyrics + the guitar lines made the song.
This song will be played @ the grammy awards next year.
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